Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)

[dandarez]

S600BSB said:

Jamescrs said:

LivLL said:

I suppose a PH politics poll is a little different to the election given the number of deviants on here who will answer only to try and skew the poll away from Labour and panic the red army prominent in the NP&E forums.

100 people so far, 4 will spoil their papers - why, what's the point?

I don't get the whole effort of spoiling a paper either, many years ago part of my work was monitoring inside a sports centre hall where votes were counted and I never saw anyone care less about a spoilt voting paper, they were simply put aside into a separate pile by the counters and no doubt filed away. No one seemed to take the time to pay any attention to what was on them other than no cross in an appropriate box

Still better to spoil a paper than vote for the Cons though.

I still intend to spoil my ballot paper (first time ever that I have 'not' voted, and I've seen 'em all since Atlee!). Sadly, the 'None of the Above' petition to get this on all ballot papers earlier this year got too few people to make it an issue. Those 'in charge' don't want this to ever happen! Hence why publicity was woeful.
Can it work? Oh boy yes! In the USA it was put on a ballot paper earlier this year, and guess what? 'None of the Above' got the highest votes and won!!

'Spoilt Ballot Papers' are 'counted', hence why I am 'voting' (no way would I ever not vote - for obvious reasons).
However, the may be a fly in the ointment - I'd decided to query what really happens?
I was informed via TEC (The Electoral Commission) that the counting of a spoilt ballots is down to the Returning Officer - christ is it vague... it needs rewording/updating.

Here you go:
Spoilt or doubtful ballots
If a ballot paper is blank, spoilt, or count staff are unsure of the voter’s intention from the mark on the paper, the Returning Officer will consider it and decide if the vote is valid and should be counted, or (how handy eh?) '...if it should be rejected'.

I checked elsewhere
'Spoilt ballots are ballot papers that have been marked incorrectly, and do not indicate the voter’s intention.
For example, the voter may have voted for two candidates in an election where they can only vote for one.
Doubtful ballots are ballot papers that do not absolutely show the voter’s intention. For example, the cross [X] to mark the vote may cover two boxes.

I messaged a councillor I know - he just replied:
'Dan, if you wish, yes you can spoil your ballot, and I can reassure you that it will be COUNTED!
Even Returning Officer's 'rejecting' a ballot doesn't matter, again, it WILL BE COUNTED!'
He just sent this over to me - so yep, I'm definitely spoiling mine.

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I've seen it all my life... Labour will likely romp home and in 5 yrs time (or prob less) the 'ping pong' will happen again.
For those who want 'Change', you ain't gonna get it! All you'll achieve is a change in colour like all before.
If only 'None of the above' was on ballots, eh?

Once in government they don't want to 'serve you' they all 'serve themselves'.
Yep, you can have superb 'local constituency' MPs of any flavour - take when ours was Cameron, regardless of his 'rosette colour' he was great - he held regular local surgeries, always on hand for your queries and problems, he helped my wife's family and went beyond the limits to do so, I still have all his HoC letters addressed to us over the year he helped.
Months after he became PM my wife said to me as he was appearing on TV: 'Dan, is this really the same guy who helped and assisted my mum so much? He's changed beyond all recognition.'
'Yes Minister' was hilarious, but not far off the truth.

[Klippie]

If I wasn't tactically voting Labour to get rid of the SNP up here in Scotland my tick in the box would be for Reform.

I've always liked Farage...he is one of the very few people involved in politics that actually want to stick up for Great Britain and everything we stand for...I'am so glad he stepped up to the plate to have a go at the bds.

[Kermit power]

I've no idea how accurate Electoral Calculus is, but there's certainly some interesting reading to be had there!

To give an example, at the last GE, every single one of the 29 constituencies covering Buckinghamshire, Surrey and West Sussex voted Conservative. If the predictions are correct, then we can expect to wake up on the morning of the 5th to find this...

Bucks - 5 Labour, 2 Conservative, 1 LibDem

Surrey - 8 LibDem, 3 Conservative, 1 Labour To give a little extra context to this one, every single constituency in Surrey has voted Conservative in every single general election since 1885 with the exception of two Liberals in 1906 and 1 LibDem in 2001!!!

West Sussex - 4 Labour, 3 Conservative, 2 LibDem

In total, that's the Conservatives dropping from 29 previously impregnable seats to third place with a mere 8, behind the LibDems on 11 and Labour on 10!!!

[Crippo]

Klippie said:

If I wasn't tactically voting Labour to get rid of the SNP up here in Scotland my tick in the box would be for Reform.

I've always liked Farage...he is one of the very few people involved in politics that actually want to stick up for Great Britain and everything we stand for...I'am so glad he stepped up to the plate to have a go at the bds.

I understand your reasons for doing so. But, I wish people, could vote for whom they want farther than against who they don’t. That would be a better democracy I feel.
The inference drawn by Labour when their Candidate wins will be that you like their policies and you want them to deliver what you voted for. When actually, because you like Reform, you probably nearly hate Labour almost as much as the SNP

[Lefty]

Really tough one. I’m conservative but not Conservative. Currently a Tory seat but SNP might take it. Don’t really want to vote Tory, won’t vote Labour, might vote LD but above all else want to keep the SNP out.

Sigh.

This is why we need PR.

I’d vote for any party who would introduce it - and then vote the way I want to next time round.

Edited by Lefty on Tuesday 18th June 23:00

[Mojooo]

Just vote Labour ffs!

I don't think the Tory melt down will be as bad as expected. When push comes to should Tories will always be Tories.

[E63eeeeee...]

Klippie said:

If I wasn't tactically voting Labour to get rid of the SNP up here in Scotland my tick in the box would be for Reform.

I've always liked Farage...he is one of the very few people involved in politics that actually want to stick up for Great Britain and everything we stand for...I'am so glad he stepped up to the plate to have a go at the bds.

It's kind of telling that your support is based on him sticking up for an island rather than a country. I'm pretty sure the last thing Farage actually wants is to stick up for British people, you only have to look at how poor he was in representing the UK's interests as an MEP.

[LimmerickLad]

E63eeeeee... said:

It's kind of telling that your support is based on him sticking up for an island rather than a country. I'm pretty sure the last thing Farage actually wants is to stick up for British people, you only have to look at how poor he was in representing the UK's interests as an MEP.

He achieved what he was elected to do......how many politicians can you say that about?

[Police State]

S600BSB said:

Jamescrs said:

LivLL said:

I suppose a PH politics poll is a little different to the election given the number of deviants on here who will answer only to try and skew the poll away from Labour and panic the red army prominent in the NP&E forums.

100 people so far, 4 will spoil their papers - why, what's the point?

I don't get the whole effort of spoiling a paper either, many years ago part of my work was monitoring inside a sports centre hall where votes were counted and I never saw anyone care less about a spoilt voting paper, they were simply put aside into a separate pile by the counters and no doubt filed away. No one seemed to take the time to pay any attention to what was on them other than no cross in an appropriate box

Still better to spoil a paper than vote for the Cons though.

Still better to vote Cons than help give Emily Thornberry a job though.

[E63eeeeee...]

LimmerickLad said:

E63eeeeee... said:

It's kind of telling that your support is based on him sticking up for an island rather than a country. I'm pretty sure the last thing Farage actually wants is to stick up for British people, you only have to look at how poor he was in representing the UK's interests as an MEP.

He achieved what he was elected to do......how many politicians can you say that about?

As in fk all? I suppose that's true.

[LimmerickLad]

E63eeeeee... said:

LimmerickLad said:

E63eeeeee... said:

It's kind of telling that your support is based on him sticking up for an island rather than a country. I'm pretty sure the last thing Farage actually wants is to stick up for British people, you only have to look at how poor he was in representing the UK's interests as an MEP.

He achieved what he was elected to do......how many politicians can you say that about?

As in fk all? I suppose that's true.

Brexit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaJGxEFtH10

or if you prefer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B4u01MdxoM

Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 18th June 23:41

[hidetheelephants]

LimmerickLad said:

He achieved what he was elected to do......how many politicians can you say that about?

Piss about and not attend the committee he was on? I don't recall that manifesto pledge.

[Cold]

What do we reckon turnout is going to be like this time around?

Sorry to say that from this end of the sofa apathy levels are pretty high. Is my mood a reflection of other voters or should I be admonished for not showing an interest?

[hidetheelephants]

Lefty said:

Really tough one. I’m conservative but not Conservative. Currently a Tory seat but SNP might take it. Don’t really want to vote Tory, won’t vote Labour, might vote LD but above all else want to keep the SNP out.

Sigh.

This is why we need PR.

I’d vote for any party who would introduce it - and then vote the way I want to next time round.

We should have ballot measures like they have in the US; gather enough signatures for XYZ, it goes on the ballot paper as a separate question and it separates it from party politics.

[philv]

I would not vote labour as they wont openly state what they are going to do.

Sks stating that they wont raise taxes for 'working' people.

It turns out his definition of 'working' people are those with no savings just getting by.

Disingenuous and untrustworthy.

If you have anything, expect to pay higher taxes.

The worst thing the tories have done is to allow labour to win.

[Mr Penguin]

Cold said:

What do we reckon turnout is going to be like this time around?

Sorry to say that from this end of the sofa apathy levels are pretty high. Is my mood a reflection of other voters or should I be admonished for not showing an interest?

Even my mum who thinks voting should be compulsory is finding it hard to justify voting.

[CraigyMc]

PH has a right bias.

I'm surprised reform doesn't have a lead at this time on this poll.

[E63eeeeee...]

LimmerickLad said:

E63eeeeee... said:

LimmerickLad said:

E63eeeeee... said:

It's kind of telling that your support is based on him sticking up for an island rather than a country. I'm pretty sure the last thing Farage actually wants is to stick up for British people, you only have to look at how poor he was in representing the UK's interests as an MEP.

He achieved what he was elected to do......how many politicians can you say that about?

As in fk all? I suppose that's true.

Brexit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaJGxEFtH10

or if you prefer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B4u01MdxoM

Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 18th June 23:41

There I was thinking he stood 7 times on a Brexit ticket and failed to get elected every time. If the money hadn't got behind Brexit and the BBC hadn't coincidentally decided to foreground him he'd still be a fringe loon ranting about it now. To be fair, he was mostly a fringe loon during the campaign too, iirc.

[Lefty]

CraigyMc said:

PH has a right bias.

I'm surprised reform doesn't have a lead at this time on this poll.

It certainly seems to. I wonder why that is?

I assume the demographic is mostly male, 25-60, no idea on race/religion. Is there a correlation between an interest in fast cars and financial success? Could be. That may be an indicator of conservative values. Or all we all just aholes?

[Lotobear]

philv said:

I would not vote labour as they wont openly state what they are going to do.

Sks stating that they wont raise taxes for 'working' people.

It turns out his definition of 'working' people are those with no savings just getting by.

Disingenuous and untrustworthy.

If you have anything, expect to pay higher taxes.

The worst thing the tories have done is to allow labour to win.

I've noticed that Kier's go to disingenuous phrase of choice has become "it's not in our plans to...." A very untrustworthy man IMO