Macron calls a national election

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Kermit power said:

I guess not many saw that coming!

FT said:

Macron is not expected to make any short-term political moves in reaction to the loss, such as reshuffling his cabinet or calling for early elections.

https://archive.is/hez6F

They've since updated it. Seems a strange move.

[wc98]

Vanden Saab said:

He is doing a Sunak...

Let's hope it doesn't turn out he's done a Cameron.

[g4ry13]

Kermit power said:

Vanden Saab said:

He is doing a Sunak...

I'm not sure anyone knows why Sunak did what he did, possibly including Sunak himself!

Sunak wants to ps off to USA in time for summer and to get set up for school.

No idea about Macron but it's about time he pissed off too.

[Beati Dogu]

Belgium's Prime Minister Alex De Croo has also resigned after his party lost out in the EU elections. He’s another globalist WEF droid,

[Wombat3]

This is what happens when politicians don't read the room and don't listen.

This is what happens when politicians think they know best about significant socio-economic change.

You'd think they'd have learned at least something from Brexit over there......but apparently not !

[Ridgemont]

Kermit power said:

105.4 said:

The biggest surprise to me in all of this is that Marie le Pen is ’far-right’

Are you aware of her history?

She's a senior member of France's far right royalty who took an undisputedly Far Right party and dressed it up in nationalist/populist clothes to make it look respectable enough to get people to vote for it.

The RN's 22 point plan for France is absolutely textbook. Promise the people what they want to hear, keep just the right amount of blaming Islam, make lots of completely unfunded spending promises, drop Frexit from the list because it's not popular, but then issue a manifesto which is undeliverable whilst remaining members of the EU. It plays very well to the psyche of many post-colonial French voters.

If they win the election, be under no illusions as to what the people of France will be electing.

I’ll probably regret this given I have still to read the rest of the thread but if you think what you have summarised is ‘far right’ then I have a Nick Griffin to sell you…

[ambuletz]

As someone who doesn't really follow politics can someone explain why his actions are a big deal? (in like 2 sentences).

From my limited understanding it seems like he's spotted a snowball gathering mass and has decided to get out of the way instead of it smacking him in the face. If he dissolves who then runs?

[Gecko1978]

ambuletz said:

As someone who doesn't really follow politics can someone explain why his actions are a big deal? (in like 2 sentences).

From my limited understanding it seems like he's spotted a snowball gathering mass and has decided to get out of the way instead of it smacking him in the face. If he dissolves who then runs?

Because if he fails to get re-elected potentially France is then by a far right politician. As others have pointed out this is what happens when you ignore people paint them as ignorant an nit understanding what's good for them

[isaldiri]

ambuletz said:

As someone who doesn't really follow politics can someone explain why his actions are a big deal? (in like 2 sentences).

There is quite a lot of concern that the 'wrong' people might get voted in and Macron should never have given 'the people' the chance to make that wrong choice....

[leef44]

isaldiri said:

ambuletz said:

As someone who doesn't really follow politics can someone explain why his actions are a big deal? (in like 2 sentences).

There is quite a lot of concern that the 'wrong' people might get voted in and Macron should never have given 'the people' the chance to make that wrong choice....

Isn't he just saying "look, if this is what you really want they let's put it to a vote because I cannot be your president if you don't support staying in the EU"

[hidetheelephants]

leef44 said:

isaldiri said:

ambuletz said:

As someone who doesn't really follow politics can someone explain why his actions are a big deal? (in like 2 sentences).

There is quite a lot of concern that the 'wrong' people might get voted in and Macron should never have given 'the people' the chance to make that wrong choice....

Isn't he just saying "look, if this is what you really want they let's put it to a vote because I cannot be your president if you don't support staying in the EU"

He's dumber than he looks if that's the case as they binned Frexit as a policy.

[JagLover]

frisbee said:

86 said:

Europe moving to the right big time. People fed up with immigration meanwhile we are moving left and Starmer will open the floodgates

What floodgates? The Tories sold them for scrap years ago. They made no effort to control legal immigration and were utterly inept at controlling illegal immigration.

This basically.

[smifffymoto]

Mr Magooagain said:

I’m my commune and those all around me voted for the Le Pen puppet. He got around 45% of all votes.
It’s no surprise and the pension reforms will bite Macron.

Eymet voted them in also with 31%.

[Bill]

smifffymoto said:

Mr Magooagain said:

I’m my commune and those all around me voted for the Le Pen puppet. He got around 45% of all votes.
It’s no surprise and the pension reforms will bite Macron.

Eymet voted them in also with 31%.

IIRC French elections go to a final run off? So presumably he is banking on him Vs MLP and the Euro elections were the peak for MLP due to the protest vote element.

[Vanden Saab]

Bill said:

smifffymoto said:

Mr Magooagain said:

I’m my commune and those all around me voted for the Le Pen puppet. He got around 45% of all votes.
It’s no surprise and the pension reforms will bite Macron.

Eymet voted them in also with 31%.

IIRC French elections go to a final run off? So presumably he is banking on him Vs MLP and the Euro elections were the peak for MLP due to the protest vote element.

As I understand it, it is not an election for his job but for the French parliament. He still has another 3 years.

[Bill]

Ah, gotcha. NAFC then!

[Vanden Saab]

Bill said:

Ah, gotcha. NAFC then!

A bit like Sunak he may well have thrown many of his own MPs under the bus.

[Vasco]

soupdragon1 said:

Macron needs to win.

The divide and conquer of Europe has strong momentum now and Macron, arguably Europe's greatest current leader, is worried.

There are huge amounts wrong with the EU and indeed in France, but having unhappy people is a natural byproduct of democracy, and some people are losing sight of that.

European countries in isolation are simply weak when measured against the behemoths like USA and China. We need that frame of reference.

The French have voted their views on the European parliament and want their voices heard in that forum but I think they get the nuances at play and will think differently on a national level. At least, that's what Macron is hoping for.

Macron as 'Europe's greatest leader' will be giving many people a good laugh !!

[hidetheelephants]

Vanden Saab said:

Bill said:

Ah, gotcha. NAFC then!

A bit like Sunak he may well have thrown many of his own MPs under the bus.

Aren't they in minority anyway, so he's hamstrung when it comes to getting stuff done? Or at least legislatively, I've a vague and uninformed opinion that the president does have quite a lot of executive power. The french system is very different from ours.

[Blue62]

Vanden Saab said:

As I understand it, it is not an election for his job but for the French parliament. He still has another 3 years.

Correct, but it’s a ballsy move forcing the far right to front up and govern ahead of 2027, which will probably dent their popularity.