What is the Conservative legacy?
Discussion
Kermit power said:
It is surely the legacy of nightmares!
Once the greatest trading nation on earth now a weakened, marginalised husk thanks to the utter lunacy that was Brexit.
A nation once actually known for our compassion towards displaced people in need, now seemingly hell bent on becoming an international pariah just so they can blow a dog whistle by sending a few poor sods toa dodgy Central African nation with a questionable human rights record a blossoming utopia (because they've passed a bill to change the dictionary definition of s
t hole) so they can pretend they're cracking down on immigration when they know that they can do no such thing.
I'm not sure there is one single redeeming quality of Conservative rule.
Calm down there. We may have been one of the greatest trading nations once. We weren't pre brexit. A brexit fallacy was implying we would become one again, a remainer fallacy is that brexit prevented us from remaining one. Brexit was a stupid idea but it's not the cause of all problems.Once the greatest trading nation on earth now a weakened, marginalised husk thanks to the utter lunacy that was Brexit.
A nation once actually known for our compassion towards displaced people in need, now seemingly hell bent on becoming an international pariah just so they can blow a dog whistle by sending a few poor sods to
t hole) so they can pretend they're cracking down on immigration when they know that they can do no such thing.I'm not sure there is one single redeeming quality of Conservative rule.
We were never known for our compassion towards other people in need if you go far enough back. Take the rose tinted glasses off. Empire is known for the brutality that preserved it and for preserving the delicate ears of the home electorate from reading too much about it. I'd rather not chase the legacy that JRM tory types wish to preserve.
The problem is most of what happened under their watch will be forgotten as a conservative legacy. It'll be brushed under the carpet. They've had some of the worst leaders in history and they'll be instantly forgettable. The destruction of public services will soon become someone else's problem and they'll escape the blame. The amount of problems that date back to Osborne have already been forgotten. Expect more of the same when it comes to legacy. They have no legacy other than enriching donors.
I suppose another legacy is extreme partisanship where you're either for or against, but I don't think the tories are solely responsible for that. 86's post is amusing and terrifying in that he thinks labour represent a suppression of views whilst not realising right wing governments regularly suppress views all around the world. I'd not lay that at the foot of the conservatives alone but they've definitely played to that crowd.
GT03ROB said:
Their legacy will be a Labour government that will be equally beset by infighting, equally lacking in competence, equally corrupt & twice as expensive.
If they manage to equal the tories in that it'll be quite an accomplishment, you'd have to explicitly try to be that incompetent, I can't imagine how it would come naturally to anybody 
I suppose another Tory legacy will be removing the abilities of the powers that be to scrutinise that. You reap what you sow.
I'm not pro labour in that comment although I do lean Labour. Just disgusted with what the Tories have done with the place. I'd prefer both to be more accountable. A Tory legacy will be less government accountability and they've no-one to blame but themselves. But I'm sure they'll blame someone else.
InformationSuperHighway said:
Their legacy is to have made themselves utterly unelectable for the next half of the generation.
They won’t be in power again for decades.
Yes yes Labor just as bad etc… yawn.
Only if that half of the generation use their vote. Still questionable.They won’t be in power again for decades.
Yes yes Labor just as bad etc… yawn.
I hope they do but I've watched too many elections to expect them to do so and have little hope for a wave of young votes. Old people vote, young people don't, it's unlikely to change.
They're not unelectable to people who use their mandate. Another legacy will be favouring wealthier elderly pensioners over those of working age with less assets. Economic suicide but makes electoral sense and that's all they care about. But unless those moaning use their mandate their complaints are pissing into the wind.
Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 05:39
konark said:
There's over 50 times as many food banks now compared to 2010, so at least there's some growth in the economy!
Good one. One of many legacies. Homeless figures are also up. Child poverty figures are also up. The court system's ability to process cases has been decimated despite the rhetoric on being hard on crime. The NHS is screwed. Educational facilities are struggling unless they're privately funded of course. Private health care is doing very well thank you very much. Councils are going bankrupt due to Osborne passing the buck to them and leaving them stranded.The legacy will be destruction of public services, Osborne planned it. It's coming to fruition. If you voted tory you voted for this. Tough s
t. Suck it up. I'm alright but I'd never have voted for the bds. (I don't really think tough st, but there's a big part of me thinks why should I care about you if you're stupid enough to vote for them).There are many more examples of how the tories are destructive to basic public services.
But what are you going to do about it? Moaning on the internet or vote?
There's a world of people who never read the internet who vote. There's a world of people who like to complain who don't vote.
ETA, guess which group's more effective.
Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 06:32
cheesejunkie said:
konark said:
There's over 50 times as many food banks now compared to 2010, so at least there's some growth in the economy!
Good one. One of many legacies. Homeless figures are also up. Child poverty figures are also up. The court system's ability to process cases has been decimated despite the rhetoric on being hard on crime. The NHS is screwed. Educational facilities are struggling unless they're privately funded of course. Private health care is doing very well thank you very much. Councils are going bankrupt due to Osborne passing the buck to them and leaving them stranded.The legacy will be destruction of public services, Osborne planned it. It's coming to fruition. If you voted tory you voted for this. Tough s
t. Suck it up. I'm alright but I'd never have voted for the bds. (I don't really think tough st, but there's a big part of me thinks why should I care about you if you're stupid enough to vote for them).There are many more examples of how the tories are destructive to basic public services.
But what are you going to do about it? Moaning on the internet or vote?
There's a world of people who never read the internet who vote. There's a world of people who like to complain who don't vote.
ETA, guess which group's more effective.
Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 06:32
119 said:
What do they have to gain, by destroying public services etc?
Private company replacements at higher expense to all and board positions for politicians on companies.. I won't name names but I can think of a few who are doing quite well there.Ideologically hating that there's a big bucket of government funding not available to private companies without understanding that the private company will cut costs by providing a lower level of service.
Ideologically not understanding how street lights are kept lit and the advantages of a better lit street rather than carrying a personal light.
I don't think they're out to destroy public services. I just think some's belief in private enterprise being able to sustain them is compromised.
ETA, the fact is they have destroyed them. It's not for me to wonder why and having given you my opinion what's your's?. What do you think they have to gain by destroying public services? "etc"
Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 07:20
Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 07:30
frisbee said:
A very vocal army of snivelling arse lickers. Who blame everything on labour and/or external factors.
Pretty much this.I don't know which one is funnier the relentless defence of this lot whilst blaming of the people who were in power fourteen years ago or the sheer panic at the thought that they'll be back in Government shortly.
DaveCWK said:
I can't think of one.
But I can't really think of one for any political party in power the last 100yrs, maybe WW2 success aside, so it's probably not that great a question
We're all still here so that's a success right?
That’s really pushing it and highly debateable. Even if you’re not one of the Covid loons there were enough questions over that to suggest we’re far from “all still here”. But I can't really think of one for any political party in power the last 100yrs, maybe WW2 success aside, so it's probably not that great a question
We're all still here so that's a success right?
Strange for somewhere that people make out is so bad that millions want to come to live here. Friends and relatives tell me it’s grim in France Belgium Germany. European and U.K. economies have zero chance of achieving material growth which means poorer and poorer services going forward no matter who is in power
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