Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[philv]

The polls are unlikely to change.
The reason being that the public have bought inti the idea that everything is the governments fault.

Aliens invade, blame the tories.
Forget to buy cornflakes, its the tories.

Were a nation of fkwits.

[julian987R]

greygoose said:

julian987R said:

Jeremy Hunt will cut national insurance by 2p in his Budget
The Chancellor is reducing the work tax for the second time in less than six month in a move that will save an average employee around £900.

I guarantee Labour polls will still go up. The tories could add a zero and make everyone 9K better off, the polls will still go in Labours favour. I wonder why?

Perhaps a lot of the population detest what your beloved Tories have done to the country?

or are there other factors at play here. These survey results just don't add up in my opinion.
What I see happening now is a winter election after an Autumn statement that they will reduce taxes even more in 2025. Labour will still get in and then the sheep will suddenly be all huffy puffy about tax rises from Labour.

[Wombat3]

philv said:

The polls are unlikely to change.
The reason being that the public have bought inti the idea that everything is the governments fault.

Aliens invade, blame the tories.
Forget to buy cornflakes, its the tories.

Were a nation of fkwits.

Nail on head.


....and why so many people are going to be so disappointed in a couple of years time.

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 5th March 21:24

[julian987R]

Wombat3 said:

philv said:

The polls are unlikely to change.
The reason being that the public have bought inti the idea that everything is the governments fault.

Aliens invade, blame the tories.
Forget to buy cornflakes, its the tories.

Were a nation of fkwits.

Nail on head.


....and why so many people are going to be so disappointed in a couple of years time.

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 5th March 21:24

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

Even Birmingham, facing a +20% increase in council tax will STILL vote them in. Utter madness.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1874063/bi...

Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 6th March 00:15

[AW111]

carlo996 said:

Sigh.

It’s not binary.

Coming from you, that’s fking hilarious. Well played.

[valiant]

julian987R said:

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 6th March 00:15

Only following the Tory playbook.

Tories played that card for years after they won last time so you can't blame Labour do doing the same and this time there will be a ring of truth to it.

[borcy]

https://news.sky.com/story/target-towns-in-grimsby...

Somewhere, i would think, Labour should do very well. But we'll see.

[julian987R]

borcy said:

https://news.sky.com/story/target-towns-in-grimsby...

Somewhere, i would think, Labour should do very well. But we'll see.

Basing an opinion of an entire region on the amount of footfall at a cobblers shop is, cobblers.

[skeeterm5]

philv said:

The polls are unlikely to change.
The reason being that the public have bought inti the idea that everything is the governments fault.

Aliens invade, blame the tories.
Forget to buy cornflakes, its the tories.

Were a nation of fkwits.

You would keep the current lot in power?

[Tankrizzo]

julian987R said:

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

It's fking true though in this case isn't it, anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a pillock. Any new government of any colour tie is coming into an absolute stshow of a mess and it can't just be made better in a year or so. Not all of it is the lone fault of the Tories admittedly but most of it is, and it will take years to undo. Current Labour aren't the party to do it either, they'll have a vain attempt at fiddling around the edges but nothing substantial.

[Tom8]

Tankrizzo said:

julian987R said:

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

It's fking true though in this case isn't it, anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a pillock. Any new government of any colour tie is coming into an absolute stshow of a mess and it can't just be made better in a year or so. Not all of it is the lone fault of the Tories admittedly but most of it is, and it will take years to undo. Current Labour aren't the party to do it either, they'll have a vain attempt at fiddling around the edges but nothing substantial.

You say that, we still haven't unpicked the damage inflicted by the last labour government. Giving stuff away is easy, taking it back again is not. See the welfare bill of this country as an example following the mass redistribution, sorry "tax credits" which sees welfare payments to people who really shouldn't get it and "free" stuff everywhere.

[carlo996]

Tom8 said:

Tankrizzo said:

julian987R said:

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

It's fking true though in this case isn't it, anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a pillock. Any new government of any colour tie is coming into an absolute stshow of a mess and it can't just be made better in a year or so. Not all of it is the lone fault of the Tories admittedly but most of it is, and it will take years to undo. Current Labour aren't the party to do it either, they'll have a vain attempt at fiddling around the edges but nothing substantial.

You say that, we still haven't unpicked the damage inflicted by the last labour government. Giving stuff away is easy, taking it back again is not. See the welfare bill of this country as an example following the mass redistribution, sorry "tax credits" which sees welfare payments to people who really shouldn't get it and "free" stuff everywhere.

And what about unemployment. 23% when the last Labour lot were kicked out. The depressing thing is there is nobody valid to vote for.

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

Tom8 said:

Tankrizzo said:

julian987R said:

Labour will play the "we inherited...." card. Most people, along with the fawning BBC, will give Labour a pass on everything.

It's fking true though in this case isn't it, anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a pillock. Any new government of any colour tie is coming into an absolute stshow of a mess and it can't just be made better in a year or so. Not all of it is the lone fault of the Tories admittedly but most of it is, and it will take years to undo. Current Labour aren't the party to do it either, they'll have a vain attempt at fiddling around the edges but nothing substantial.

You say that, we still haven't unpicked the damage inflicted by the last labour government. Giving stuff away is easy, taking it back again is not. See the welfare bill of this country as an example following the mass redistribution, sorry "tax credits" which sees welfare payments to people who really shouldn't get it and "free" stuff everywhere.

And what about unemployment. 23% when the last Labour lot were kicked out. The depressing thing is there is nobody valid to vote for.

Where are you getting that figure from?

[greygoose]

chrispmartha said:

carlo996 said:

And what about unemployment. 23% when the last Labour lot were kicked out. The depressing thing is there is nobody valid to vote for.

Where are you getting that figure from?

It’s made up or a lie, shows the credibility of their posts though.

[Blue62]

greygoose said:

It’s made up or a lie, shows the credibility of their posts though.

The rate was just under 8% in 2010, as the GFC had rocked economies across the developed world. The rate for 16-24 year olds rose to 22% by the end of 2011, a year or more after the coalition took power.

I know we are all make mistakes, but we are either dealing with a moron or an outright liar, not sure which.

[Blue62]

philv said:

The polls are unlikely to change.
The reason being that the public have bought inti the idea that everything is the governments fault.

Aliens invade, blame the tories.
Forget to buy cornflakes, its the tories.

Were a nation of fkwits.

The polls could change, most expect them to tighten but given the trend of recent by elections closely matching the polls, it’s possible that the Tories could end up with less than 100 seats.

What’s weird is that inside the Westminster bubble things are rather different. The Tories are convinced that it’s a mid term kicking and at CCHQ they’re actually planning for a second election following a hung parliament. Meanwhile Labour are equally distrustful of the polls, they don’t look like a party preparing to govern, I think they’re all out of touch.

[Tom8]

Whether you like them or not we need more parties like reform, disruptors that can mobilise and so diluting the main parties. We will never go down the PR route as two main parties want to retain power so only way is dilution.

[carlo996]

Blue62 said:

The rate was just under 8% in 2010, as the GFC had rocked economies across the developed world. The rate for 16-24 year olds rose to 22% by the end of 2011, a year or more after the coalition took power.

I know we are all make mistakes, but we are either dealing with a moron or an outright liar, not sure which.

When Labour left office in May 2010, unemployment had risen by 23%.It was running at 8%.

Utopia.

[President Merkin]

Oh Carlo, you are just so credible.

[carlo996]

Tom8 said:

Whether you like them or not we need more parties like reform, disruptors that can mobilise and so diluting the main parties. We will never go down the PR route as two main parties want to retain power so only way is dilution.

Neither Labour or Conservative are great options. A case of picking the least worse or making a protest vote which does absolutely nothing in reality.