Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)
Discussion
In a BBC interview Steve Baker MP said:
This target of going to Net Zero...was nodded through the House of Commons...Vast costs, like the cost of Net Zero, have been imposed on the public…nodded through with no scrutiny. And actually, that's going to really now bite… the public have never really been given a choice. That's why I think it's so interesting that the idea of a referendum has emerged...
COP26 mania isn't doing advertisers any favours and vice versa. Just seen what may be a new-ish addition to the politicised agwfest advertising on TV concerning a glacier. Apparently some chap has seen a glacier retreating. It's common to see this with another glacier nearby advancing, likely at a different rate, as per Svalbard.
Why did they not use this instead, it's more informative. Then include a sample of ten or so from the remaining dozens in the list of agw failed predictions.
Why did they not use this instead, it's more informative. Then include a sample of ten or so from the remaining dozens in the list of agw failed predictions.
turbobloke said:
Just seen what may be a new-ish addition to the politicised agwfest advertising on TV concerning a glacier. Apparently some chap has seen a glacier retreating.
Assume you mean the one with that notorious egotistical a
hole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
Based on the headlinem somebody is an optimist.
"COP26 costly cult could lead to the overthrow of the elites"
https://reaction.life/cop26-costly-cult-could-lead...
"COP26 costly cult could lead to the overthrow of the elites"
https://reaction.life/cop26-costly-cult-could-lead...
link said:
In the entire annals of human folly, it is difficult to find a contender to rival the charade called COP26. It is a festival of establishment groupthink on supposed climate “disaster”, designed to proclaim the final triumph of the Net Zero cult and to signal the beginning of the serious economic auto-destruction deemed a necessary sacrifice to appease the great Moloch of anthropogenic global warming.
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The auguries are not good. Xi Jinping, leader of the nation responsible for 28 per cent of greenhouse emissions, to Britain’s one per cent, will not be attending: he is too busy taking old coal mines out of mothballs to meet his country’s energy needs.
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The auguries are not good. Xi Jinping, leader of the nation responsible for 28 per cent of greenhouse emissions, to Britain’s one per cent, will not be attending: he is too busy taking old coal mines out of mothballs to meet his country’s energy needs.
pquinn said:
turbobloke said:
Just seen what may be a new-ish addition to the politicised agwfest advertising on TV concerning a glacier. Apparently some chap has seen a glacier retreating.
Assume you mean the one with that notorious egotistical ahole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
Climate change: Polls shows rising demand for government action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically bks for a start.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically b
ks for a start.robinessex said:
Climate change: Polls shows rising demand for government action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically bks for a start.
It is, and beyond that, the tsunami of propaganda won't always fall on stony ground, it's only to be expected that some people are genuinely concerned because they're swampied in the tide of doom and don't have the time, inclination or cognitive resources to look sufficiently into the bogus claims being made. The glacier example is a peach. There are glaciers, including on Svalbard, which are advancing and retreating at the same time within a radius measurable in km, and we're still hectored in adverts with guff that mean global temperature is doing it and we're responsible, this dreck won't be recognised all that widely. Glacier National Park removing its fictional doomsigns should have been a clue here but the pushers know that many users are ripe. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically b
ks for a start.turbobloke said:
It is, and beyond that, the tsunami of propaganda won't always fall on stony ground, it's only to be expected that some people are genuinely concerned because they're swampied in the tide of doom and don't have the time, inclination or cognitive resources to look sufficiently into the bogus claims being made. The glacier example is a peach. There are glaciers, including on Svalbard, which are advancing and retreating at the same time within a radius measurable in km, and we're still hectored in adverts with guff that mean global temperature is doing it and we're responsible, this dreck won't be recognised all that widely. Glacier National Park removing its fictional doomsigns should have been a clue here but the pushers know that many users are ripe.
Yes the people don’t understand. They’ve been duped by science and the media.If only they could come on here and read all your misrepresentation and propaganda they’d think differently and be more right.
Remember, COP26 failure, world conflict and chaos. Bunker, tinned food, bottled water.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/daily-brief/cop26-worl...
Go Boris.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/daily-brief/cop26-worl...
Go Boris.
robinessex said:
30,000 people eh, well that's statistically bks for a start.
Nope. Depending on selection method (ie you need a truly random selection), very small sample sizes will provide statistically meaningful results.ks for a start.For example, if you have a population of 30 million people and want a 99% accurate result with a 5% margin, then you need a sample size of just 664 respondents. To get the margin of error down to 1% you still only need 16568 respondents.
A survey of 30,000 people, chosen randomly, would give a very good result indeed.
https://www.qualtrics.com/uk/experience-management...
Gaspode said:
robinessex said:
30,000 people eh, well that's statistically bks for a start.
Nope. Depending on selection method (ie you need a truly random selection), very small sample sizes will provide statistically meaningful results.ks for a start.For example, if you have a population of 30 million people and want a 99% accurate result with a 5% margin, then you need a sample size of just 664 respondents. To get the margin of error down to 1% you still only need 16568 respondents.
A survey of 30,000 people, chosen randomly, would give a very good result indeed.
https://www.qualtrics.com/uk/experience-management...
What does that 'weighted to reflect general population census data' bit mean?
https://globescan.com/2021/10/27/global-poll-cop26...
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
It is, and beyond that, the tsunami of propaganda won't always fall on stony ground, it's only to be expected that some people are genuinely concerned because they're swampied in the tide of doom and don't have the time, inclination or cognitive resources to look sufficiently into the bogus claims being made. The glacier example is a peach. There are glaciers, including on Svalbard, which are advancing and retreating at the same time within a radius measurable in km, and we're still hectored in adverts with guff that mean global temperature is doing it and we're responsible, this dreck won't be recognised all that widely. Glacier National Park removing its fictional doomsigns should have been a clue here but the pushers know that many users are ripe.
Yes the people don’t understand. They’ve been duped by science and the media.If only they could come on here and read all your misrepresentation and propaganda they’d think differently and be more right.
robinessex said:
Climate change: Polls shows rising demand for government action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically bks for a start.
56% of people want someone else to do something about climate change. The number is probably about right, they assume a net zero future will be like today only with more electric cars and windmills. I wonder how many of that 56% are demanding that they be made to personally lower their standard of living to prevent climate change?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-590...
The survey of over 30,000 people finds that 56% want their countries to play a leadership role at the critical COP26 meeting next week.
Signs of desperate headlines here. 30,000 people eh, well that's statistically b
ks for a start.Diderot said:
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
It is, and beyond that, the tsunami of propaganda won't always fall on stony ground, it's only to be expected that some people are genuinely concerned because they're swampied in the tide of doom and don't have the time, inclination or cognitive resources to look sufficiently into the bogus claims being made. The glacier example is a peach. There are glaciers, including on Svalbard, which are advancing and retreating at the same time within a radius measurable in km, and we're still hectored in adverts with guff that mean global temperature is doing it and we're responsible, this dreck won't be recognised all that widely. Glacier National Park removing its fictional doomsigns should have been a clue here but the pushers know that many users are ripe.
Yes the people don’t understand. They’ve been duped by science and the media.If only they could come on here and read all your misrepresentation and propaganda they’d think differently and be more right.
This is always a good read, and perfect for COPpers flying in on private jets to COP26. Shooting the messenger logical fallacy incoming, but it'll fail as badly as ever given that images of the primary sources are provided (see the sample of links below to conserve thread space).
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pquinn said:
Assume you mean the one with that notorious egotistical ahole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.
Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
I suppose because he's spent his entire life in the mountains pursuing an active interest in the environment and could thus be expected to be more directly connected to and affected by climate issues?hole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
I find him quite an impressive character all told.
Polar bear populations Quadruple since 1950
https://climateataglance.com/climate-at-a-glance-p...
https://climateataglance.com/climate-at-a-glance-p...
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Polar bear populations are increasing dramatically during recent decades as the planet has warmed.
I guess at some point they will over saturate and fall back naturally due to space and food constraints. With someone from the green agenda on hand to capture the images of starving polar bears and blame it on AGW, obviously Disastrous said:
pquinn said:
Assume you mean the one with that notorious egotistical ahole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.
Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
I suppose because he's spent his entire life in the mountains pursuing an active interest in the environment and could thus be expected to be more directly connected to and affected by climate issues?hole of a mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who they only bother to introduce in the long version of the ad that isn't usually shown.Not sure why his opinion on the whole thing matters.
I find him quite an impressive character all told.
Talking of blots.
Chairman of the Parliamentary Net Zero Scrutiny Group Craig Mackinlay MP said:
Boris Johnson assured me that the cost of offshore wind has fallen by 70%. Sober analysis shows beyond all reasonable doubt that this is not the case. Not only does this show that the PM is being given flawed information by his advisers, the public is being led into a cost and energy security disaster.
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