47th President of the United States

[paulguitar]

Byker28i said:

paulguitar said:

simon_harris said:

I think Trump is going to win it again and it is going to be hugely amusing in here to see all the heads explode when he does.

If you had family and business in the USA as some of us do, you would find the prospect a lot less hilarious.

The trouble is trump hasn't any money, limited donors stepping up nd his huge legal bills are sinking any money he had for his campaign. He ran out on 216, needing a $10m assistance routed through Egypt, ran short in 2020, and now has less than about $30m in hand. He ran $11m in adverts this month alone leading upto Super Tuesday.

US elections cost lots of money, trump hasn't got it, and hasn't got people coming forward to give him it. It's all about to go downhill fro him

Well, that's all encouraging.

What's not encouraging is we have people here who find the prospect of a potential trump presidency funny. It may sincerely be genuine ignorance, but either way, it's pretty astounding.

[Byker28i]

g4ry13 said:

Four Litre said:

simon_harris said:

I think Trump is going to win it again and it is going to be hugely amusing in here to see all the heads explode when he does.

There are a handful on here who may need to be sectioned for their own safety if he does. Check out the Trump thread, its astonishing how much work some of the posters put in researching and posting hate on a daily basis. Its as if some have devoted their lives to this task. (Volume 14 now!!!)

"some" or one in particular?

Honestly think one of them should be joining the Trump prosecution team as not much progress appears to have been made in the last 4 years.

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

[paulguitar]

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

They are not willing or able to do that.

Hence the attacks.

[Byker28i]

paulguitar said:

Byker28i said:

paulguitar said:

simon_harris said:

I think Trump is going to win it again and it is going to be hugely amusing in here to see all the heads explode when he does.

If you had family and business in the USA as some of us do, you would find the prospect a lot less hilarious.

The trouble is trump hasn't any money, limited donors stepping up nd his huge legal bills are sinking any money he had for his campaign. He ran out on 216, needing a $10m assistance routed through Egypt, ran short in 2020, and now has less than about $30m in hand. He ran $11m in adverts this month alone leading upto Super Tuesday.

US elections cost lots of money, trump hasn't got it, and hasn't got people coming forward to give him it. It's all about to go downhill fro him

Well, that's all encouraging.

What's not encouraging is we have people here who find the prospect of a potential trump presidency funny. It may sincerely be genuine ignorance, but either way, it's pretty astounding.

I'm really not sure what they think he has to offer. His last term resulted in nothing apart from tax cuts for the rich and running up national debt by 8Tn, which everyone has to pay for. Middle and lower class families were feeling the increased taxes trump introduced a a step increase for many years, whilst he used the position to personally profit.

His only policies if he gets in are again on attacking immigrants (of which his wife and wifes family are), and promising revenge on those he felt slighted him. Thowing out moderate Republicans and promoting maga. Project 2025 etc.

Yet Bidens administration... Infrastructure improvements, student loan forgiveness, job increases, limiting the price of medicines - real changes made. Even Fox thinks...



Now in an ideal world neither would be the choice of candidates, but it does appear that trump will destroy the GOP before they have to rebuild

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 6th March 11:34

[swanny71]

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

If the Republican Party could think like this, America wouldn’t be heading down the stter.

[Byker28i]

swanny71 said:

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

If the Republican Party could think like this, America wouldn’t be heading down the stter.

Well, we could have the discussion about what the GOP have achieved whilst in the majority (again). They seem to have spent their time trying to obstruct trumps charges, or trying to manufacture dirt against Biden to help trump.

They've tried to manufacture chaos again by blocking bills for real improvements, yet even when they all voted against Bidens infrastructure Bill, they then went to their constituents and claimed the investments in their state were due to them.

Have they actually achieved anything? just 27 bills in 2023, despite 724 votes, one of those created a commemorative coin and two renamed medical centers.

[simon_harris]

I'd multi-quote but it really isn't worth the effort, if you weren't quite so defensively reactionary and read what I wrote rather than assume what I meant then you wouldn't be proving my point for me here...

[Byker28i]

simon_harris said:

I'd multi-quote but it really isn't worth the effort, if you weren't quite so defensively reactionary and read what I wrote rather than assume what I meant then you wouldn't be proving my point for me here...

If you read what I wrote you'll see I didn't quote you

[g4ry13]

paulguitar said:

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

They are not willing or able to do that.

Hence the attacks.

Bottom line: it doesn't really make the slightest bit of difference about what you or I think.

Either way, Trump is going to be running for election this year and the rest is up to the electorate (which I am not included in).

[Byker28i]

It's being reported that Haley is about to announce she's suspending her campaign.

[paulguitar]

g4ry13 said:

Bottom line: it doesn't really make the slightest bit of difference about what you or I think.

Either way, Trump is going to be running for election this year and the rest is up to the electorate (which I am not included in).

Why are you posting here then?

[Byker28i]

g4ry13 said:

paulguitar said:

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

They are not willing or able to do that.

Hence the attacks.

Bottom line: it doesn't really make the slightest bit of difference about what you or I think.

Either way, Trump is going to be running for election this year and the rest is up to the electorate (which I am not included in).

However, US politics consumes a lot of money and trump doesn't have it having spent everything on his legal bills. Neither do the RNC, although he could stay on the ballot and probably get 20% of the vote from the faithful, but that won't get him into power so he can kill his charges and investigations against him.

Then there's the issue of trumps health. The campaigning and court cases have been taking it out of him, and there's more and more signs of mini strokes. Will he even get there?, probably but there's a lot to come yet before November.

Realistically the GOP doesn't exist anymore now, it's maga all the way. No wonder theres again many GOP representatives deciding not to run again.

[swanny71]

Byker28i said:

swanny71 said:

Byker28i said:

Again, would much rather we discussed the issues rather than just personal attacks

If the Republican Party could think like this, America wouldn’t be heading down the stter.

Well, we could have the discussion about what the GOP have achieved whilst in the majority (again). They seem to have spent their time trying to obstruct trumps charges, or trying to manufacture dirt against Biden to help trump.

They've tried to manufacture chaos again by blocking bills for real improvements, yet even when they all voted against Bidens infrastructure Bill, they then went to their constituents and claimed the investments in their state were due to them.

Have they actually achieved anything? just 27 bills in 2023, despite 724 votes, one of those created a commemorative coin and two renamed medical centers.

My point was that the Republican Party now focus on attacking “the other side” rather than discussing/fixing America’s issues. For everyone’s sake, I wish they didn’t.

[paulguitar]

swanny71 said:

My point was that the Republican Party now focus on attacking “the other side” rather than discussing/fixing America’s issues. For everyone’s sake, I wish they didn’t.

Yes, they've lost the plot. I hope the GOP can rescue itself from the trump disaster, gather itself up and come back to being a party that can at least be taken seriously again.

[simon_harris]

If anything can be discerned from the last 8 years of American politics surely it is that the american political machine exists only to server American politicians, I suspect it has ever been thus but not ever so blatant.

[stuckmojo]

simon_harris said:

I think Trump is going to win it again and it is going to be hugely amusing in here to see all the heads explode when he does.

Agreed. If he somehow manages to run as Republican nominee, and people are throwing everything at him, he's likely to win and the meltdown is going to be hilarious to watch.

[williamp]

simon_harris said:

If anything can be discerned from the last 8 years of American politics surely it is that the american political machine exists only to server American politicians, I suspect it has ever been thus but not ever so blatant.

Which is kind of my take. The US people might not like Trump. But they might dislike the lawfare against Trump even more. He said before aboutg its the world against him. Everything thats gone on, only helps him with the message.

And it wont be easy for Biden- he will have to be seen this time. And he will have to do televised debates. that could sink any chances he has (not that he has any age related mental deficiencies at all, you understand. I'm not a medical specialist, etc etc)

[Byker28i]

simon_harris said:

If anything can be discerned from the last 8 years of American politics surely it is that the american political machine exists only to server American politicians, I suspect it has ever been thus but not ever so blatant.

Well, thats one oarty for sure, certainly in the last 7 years, and before that. They ran a programme of disruption and saying no to anything Obama tried to pass. For them it was all about getting back into power no matter what.

Then when they lost it and trump tried to take it through fraud and force they all turned a blind eye.

It's seems it's mostly about making some US politicians rich isn't it? So much money floating about, lobbying, deals, lax rules around spending and 'expenses'.

If you look at the more socialist policies brought in under Obama Biden, it would be hard to claim your statement about the Dems.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/...

[simon_harris]

Byker - with all dues respect it is utterly pointless in even attempting to engage with you. Your viewpoint is so biased you can't even contemplate an opposing position.

As much as I may dislike being the "they are all the same" person, the vast majority of them whatever side of the political divide they may sit are indeed the same.

I am sure if you looked hard enough you could still find some actual principled politicians that really care about improving the life of their constituents and countrymen but they are very much in the minority.

So yes much of the GOP are terrible awful people with their own self interest at heart but so are much of the Dems.

[Byker28i]

simon_harris said:

Byker - with all dues respect it is utterly pointless in even attempting to engage with you. Your viewpoint is so biased you can't even contemplate an opposing position.

As much as I may dislike being the "they are all the same" person, the vast majority of them whatever side of the political divide they may sit are indeed the same.

I am sure if you looked hard enough you could still find some actual principled politicians that really care about improving the life of their constituents and countrymen but they are very much in the minority.

So yes much of the GOP are terrible awful people with their own self interest at heart but so are much of the Dems.

Pointless? so once again when challenged people refuse to debate because you have predisposed ideas? I'm not sure I've even discussed anything with you before, instead you take the usual smear position?

I can name multiple US politicians who are principled, etc.
I've not hidden my admiration for Ted Lieu, I think Pete Buttigieg would make a great presidential candidate if the US would accept a gay man because they struggle with women.
AOC stands out with her commitment to fighting for the small people, Jamie Raskin with holding the GOP to account, not least in the fake Biden impeachment attempt. Harris is a good competent VP and could make a good Potus

There's a lot of good younger candidates coming through for the Dems, an interesting side effect to trumps attack on women and abotion rights etc.