Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)
Poll: Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)
Total Members Polled: 713
Discussion
Kermit power said:
Killboy said:
MC Bodge said:
Killboy said:
MC Bodge said:
Labour?
No, reform. #takebackcontrolthistime
What exactly are you expecting to take back control of?
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 19th June 21:00
Kermit power said:
Killboy said:
MC Bodge said:
Killboy said:
MC Bodge said:
Labour?
No, reform. #takebackcontrolthistimeWhat exactly are you expecting to take back control of?
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 19th June 21:00
Gary C said:
Came out as 'Truly independant'
Ditto. I will no doubt get some grief for this but when i voted to leave the EU what we have now politically is about what i expected. There was no way in my mind that all the years of buck passing "because EU" (genuine or not) and having much of the basic work and decisions led by the EU parliament, then merely ratified here (i mean a lot of the day to day stuff and i know our politicians in the EU parliament would have had a hand in it) was not going to have a negative effect on the ability of those running the show here.Also,imo, the less politicians involved in running the show the better, the EU was a needless layer of troughers a bit like the devolved parliaments but on steroids and we can see how well they have done
Post Brexit our politicians have been found sadly lacking and just as corrupt as many in the EU.At home the politics of right and left are no longer fit for purpose and haven't been for some time. Whether the hardcore involved in politics, some of them on here, know it or not we are witnessing the slow death of politics as we know it in the UK and at this point in time there is no way of knowing whether it will be better or worse when it eventually evolves to it's new state.
What i want to see. Huge reform and simplification of the tax system. Zero allowances, things like BIK etc binned. Each individual has one earnings account, everything you earn goes into there and is taxed at a flat rate for all . There would be earnings bands but the rate paid would be the same. Same with capital gains but it would start at 50k per annum.
Move parliament away from the bright lights, wide boys and coke and hookers to as near the geographical centre of the country as physically possible in a purpose built facility with living accommodation. Increase salaries to a level commensurate with the position while reducing their numbers (council leaders earning more than the PM is a farce) and have genuine accountability with any proven case of fraud, attempted fraud etc ( yes Matheson i am looking at you) leading to jail time greater than that for the same offence for someone not in politics.
Ban lobbying, all presentations on any issue to be openly presented in writing to the house, only exceptions to be security related.
The main focus of every single politician to be education and health, particularly STEM subjects and a system in place to identify those more suited to vocational education with facilities catered to suit. I've lost count of the lives i have seen go to waste due to a poor start in life that really could have gone very different with better quality education. Aim to bring state school education up to the standard of the best private education, a big ask i know but it can be done. Any teacher currently working in private education at the outset of my new regime and those entering the profession in the private arena would have to do a year in state schools to help with training etc.
getting education and health right will mean the rest will generally take care of itself.
What i wouldn't be doing is increasing VAT to make a better standard of education less attainable for as many as possible.
I'm not sure about the Lords, i do hate the concept of hereditary peerages although it should have its advantages. I do feel it needs reform though.
Core services like energy to be renationalised. Yep, they weren't great previously in that situation but at least most of the money was kept in the UK and the chair warmers were UK based chair warmers. Water is a no brainer, i doubt anyone would disagree on that. The entire rail networks to be rebuilt, even if it's on a 100 year rolling program. We are a tiny country with high population density so it makes perfect sense and should be doable.
I would like to see immigration addressed properly. I have no problem with asylum seekers but would like to see a program of education and integration for all that would require regular attendance over a significant period of time. There are negative elements of some cultures being imported that we really do not need, mainly around attitude toward and treatment of woman,kids and the gay community. We certainly have a homegrown element with the same problems but adding to it is not a good idea.
I would like to see numbers reduced purely from a selfish position as i like being able to drive a decent distance in a reasonable amount of time (i have no idea how those in the south east cope with the traffic levels, i would have moved long ago) and have no desire to see my area end up like the busiest areas of the country.
The perpetual growth myth needs put to bed, it is unsustainable and doesn't work as can be seen by the rising pressure on services while national debt keeps growing. The aim should be to make life better and more enjoyable for all, not concentrate the wealth all in the hands of a relatively small number of people. The last ten years has seen virtually every aspect in the life of many ordinary punters get more expensive and generally crappier. From the state of schools,the roads, to poor services, longer waiting lists for doctors and dentists and a general malaise i never thought i would see in the UK. I have kids and now a grandson so i don't want to see it continue. It feels like we have gone back to the 80's in some respects. Going forward i would rather see us move to the 90's than regress even further to the 70's, that certainly wouldn't be fun.
Note this is all imo and i will be overegging the pudding with some statements, no doubt wrong in others and there will be a few people happy to put me right. I'm not interested in any arguments as i accept others with different lived experience will see things vastly different to me so i would never say you were wrong. These are just some of my thoughts on the current situation, i'm sure others have far more coherent and compelling positions on what they would like to see change.
I've already voted via postal vote as I'll be on holiday on the 4th.
I voted LibDem purely because I think they're the best chance of getting the PR we desperately need to try and restore some actual democracy to the country.
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
I voted LibDem purely because I think they're the best chance of getting the PR we desperately need to try and restore some actual democracy to the country.
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
Kermit power said:
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
Thank christ there is no possibility of that happening as a brick would go through my telly screen for sure. I can’t see the attraction of the guy at all - he’s a smug looking t
t as well … uk66fastback said:
Kermit power said:
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
Thank christ there is no possibility of that happening as a brick would go through my telly screen for sure. I can’t see the attraction of the guy at all - he’s a smug looking tt as well … 
Kermit power said:
I've already voted via postal vote as I'll be on holiday on the 4th.
I voted LibDem purely because I think they're the best chance of getting the PR we desperately need to try and restore some actual democracy to the country.
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
Can get you decent odds on that I voted LibDem purely because I think they're the best chance of getting the PR we desperately need to try and restore some actual democracy to the country.
Having listened to Davy, Starmer and Sunak tonight, however, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed if Davy ended up as PM.
S600BSB said:
Mr Penguin said:
I don't really like these things because they ignore many aspects of why you would vote for a party but I took an isidewith quiz and got
90% Reform
87% Reclaim
84% Conservative
81% UKIP
44% SDP
41% Lib Dem
90% reform - bloody hell. Born in the ‘50s? 90% Reform
87% Reclaim
84% Conservative
81% UKIP
44% SDP
41% Lib Dem
fatbutt said:
I just gave that site a go and while I do roughly match my intended party, the top of the list was 'rejoin EU' which I'm firmly against. One question was do you support rejoining the EU and I put no, so just goes to show how daft the system/ site is!
I think I would have matched Reform quite a bit less if it asked me if government should pay down debt, balance the books, or borrow money to go on a supermarket sweep in Harrods.The weighting and tradeoffs never seems to work on these sorts of sites. I'm economically on the right and willing to move a bit for pragmatic reasons and socially liberal which I'm willing to move quite a lot on but most websites don't take that into account. They also ignore what parties might do that aren't in the manifesto or how they deal with crises.
fatbutt said:
S600BSB said:
Mr Penguin said:
I don't really like these things because they ignore many aspects of why you would vote for a party but I took an isidewith quiz and got
90% Reform
87% Reclaim
84% Conservative
81% UKIP
44% SDP
41% Lib Dem
90% reform - bloody hell. Born in the ‘50s? 90% Reform
87% Reclaim
84% Conservative
81% UKIP
44% SDP
41% Lib Dem
Rivenink said:
Or maybe the rest of your politics matches that Parties quite strongly, and you only disagree on the one issue.
That one issue is a somewhat defining feature of the "Rejoin the EU Party" and going against that policy should (as a starting point) stop it from suggesting it to people who don't want to rejoin the EU.Mr Penguin said:
fatbutt said:
I just gave that site a go and while I do roughly match my intended party, the top of the list was 'rejoin EU' which I'm firmly against. One question was do you support rejoining the EU and I put no, so just goes to show how daft the system/ site is!
I think I would have matched Reform quite a bit less if it asked me if government should pay down debt, balance the books, or borrow money to go on a supermarket sweep in Harrods.The weighting and tradeoffs never seems to work on these sorts of sites. I'm economically on the right and willing to move a bit for pragmatic reasons and socially liberal which I'm willing to move quite a lot on but most websites don't take that into account. They also ignore what parties might do that aren't in the manifesto or how they deal with crises.
These tests simply highlight the problem that Westminster does not represent a significant proportion of the electorate and replacing Rishi with Kier is like changing yout tie when you've shat your pants. I can completely understand why a lot of people seem to be intending to vote Reform - not because they offer a credible alternative, but that they offer a way to express dissatisfaction with the offerings of the main parties.
EmBe said:
I think the problem is that none of the parties have policies that really match what a lot of people want - I tried the Telegraph one above and gave up because none of the bloody policies were what I agreed should be done.
These tests simply highlight the problem that Westminster does not represent a significant proportion of the electorate and replacing Rishi with Kier is like changing your tie when you've shat your pants. I can completely understand why a lot of people seem to be intending to vote Reform - not because they offer a credible alternative, but that they offer a way to express dissatisfaction with the offerings of the main parties.
Chortle, I like that analogy (my bold) and intend to use it if you don't mind.These tests simply highlight the problem that Westminster does not represent a significant proportion of the electorate and replacing Rishi with Kier is like changing your tie when you've shat your pants. I can completely understand why a lot of people seem to be intending to vote Reform - not because they offer a credible alternative, but that they offer a way to express dissatisfaction with the offerings of the main parties.
I agree that Reform represent, for many voters, a protest vote. I live in a true blue constituency and everyone I know in this area has voted Conservative in previous elections, or so they tell me. Not this time, because they are disgusted with the current Tory government. They don't especially agree with some Reform policies, nor do they like Farage.
Their message to the Tories is this "You could have had almost all of these Reform votes if you'd only behaved ethically and done stuff that worked. Instead, you partied during Covid-19 then gave us Liz Truss and the stupid Rwanda scheme."
Hants PHer said:
Chortle, I like that analogy (my bold) and intend to use it if you don't mind.
I agree that Reform represent, for many voters, a protest vote. I live in a true blue constituency and everyone I know in this area has voted Conservative in previous elections, or so they tell me. Not this time, because they are disgusted with the current Tory government. They don't especially agree with some Reform policies, nor do they like Farage.
Their message to the Tories is this "You could have had almost all of these Reform votes if you'd only behaved ethically and done stuff that worked. Instead, you partied during Covid-19 then gave us Liz Truss and the stupid Rwanda scheme."
This is about where I'm at in terms of voting. I also want a good laugh while the ship sinks, Farage getting a stint in power should put him back in his little box for good.I agree that Reform represent, for many voters, a protest vote. I live in a true blue constituency and everyone I know in this area has voted Conservative in previous elections, or so they tell me. Not this time, because they are disgusted with the current Tory government. They don't especially agree with some Reform policies, nor do they like Farage.
Their message to the Tories is this "You could have had almost all of these Reform votes if you'd only behaved ethically and done stuff that worked. Instead, you partied during Covid-19 then gave us Liz Truss and the stupid Rwanda scheme."
Bathroom_Security said:
Hants PHer said:
Chortle, I like that analogy (my bold) and intend to use it if you don't mind.
I agree that Reform represent, for many voters, a protest vote. I live in a true blue constituency and everyone I know in this area has voted Conservative in previous elections, or so they tell me. Not this time, because they are disgusted with the current Tory government. They don't especially agree with some Reform policies, nor do they like Farage.
Their message to the Tories is this "You could have had almost all of these Reform votes if you'd only behaved ethically and done stuff that worked. Instead, you partied during Covid-19 then gave us Liz Truss and the stupid Rwanda scheme."
This is about where I'm at in terms of voting. I also want a good laugh while the ship sinks, Farage getting a stint in power should put him back in his little box for good.I agree that Reform represent, for many voters, a protest vote. I live in a true blue constituency and everyone I know in this area has voted Conservative in previous elections, or so they tell me. Not this time, because they are disgusted with the current Tory government. They don't especially agree with some Reform policies, nor do they like Farage.
Their message to the Tories is this "You could have had almost all of these Reform votes if you'd only behaved ethically and done stuff that worked. Instead, you partied during Covid-19 then gave us Liz Truss and the stupid Rwanda scheme."
I live in Rishi's constituency and an increasing number of people here are looking at Reform as a way to give him a good shoeing.
I also wonder about the 'red wall', I suspect any of them could care less about issues like gender and net zero so a metropolitan Labour party are going to struggle to win them over; they won't vote Tory again, but could they be tempted by Reform? After all, it's these places that are disproportionately affected by low-skilled immigration and Reform offer a simplistic but very clear proposition.
Reform are undoubtedly a bunch of chancers with no ideological soul, but I can't help but think that a hung parliament with Kier on one side of the house and Nigel on the other would be a good way to stop the government making things any worse simly because they would never agree on anything, probably the best outcome for all of us.
It would also wind up all the 'clever people' on here, which would be a nice bonus....
EmBe said:
I also wonder about the 'red wall', I suspect any of them could care less about issues like gender and net zero so a metropolitan Labour party are going to struggle to win them over; they won't vote Tory again, but could they be tempted by Reform? After all, it's these places that are disproportionately affected by low-skilled immigration and Reform offer a simplistic but very clear proposition.
The 'red wall' wasn't metropolitan though. It means the northern towns that have historically voted labour. It crumbled in the last election due to worries that the Labour Party would not follow through with Brexit.Will it be built again in this election ? I bet quite a bit will, but not all.
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