46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[vetrof]

Jeanboi said:

You'd have thought so, especially now it's becoming more accepted that Biden is compromised.
Surely they'd want a lame duck opponent that Trump has a tried and tested attack procedure already set up for and someone who clearly doesn't seem to be able to pick apart Trump's BS, man on man?

It's almost as if some still think that denying, denying, denying (*) will be a more worthwhile strategy!

(*) Or insinuating without basis, as Mortarboard, LF and Dave seem to like to try, any chance they get

Edited by Jeanboi on Thursday 4th July 18:45

It's a bit unnerving when you've believed everything you've been told for the last eight years then suddenly the very people you've been believing are exposed as not being entirely truthful. What else is false? It's not a question they are comfortable asking.

[Crook]

There was an interesting article on R4 yesterday around 4ish about his decline.

[Mr Penguin]

vetrof said:

It's a bit unnerving when you've believed everything you've been told for the last eight years then suddenly the very people you've been believing are exposed as not being entirely truthful. What else is false? It's not a question they are comfortable asking.

I don't know why people are always so surprised when they find out that politicians were lying to them all along.

[paulguitar]

Wheelspinning said:

paulguitar said:

thatsprettyshady said:

All three threads are littered with many such examples.

My main issue with all of them (the threads) is that when Biden/Biden fans do the same thing as Trump they are somehow always good and doing it in the interests of the people so should be applauded, but when Trump does something it’s always either terrible, an abuse of power or it’s extrapolated out to worse case scenario where trump is LiTeRaLlY hItLeR.

It’s usually the same rhetoric and actions from both, dressed up differently.

I don't think there are any Biden 'fans' here, are there? Pretty much every poster, including byker, has said they'd prefer another candidate.

That's a very recent view from the 'dozen'; only since the debate tbf.

As recently as the D-Day appearance, anyone doubting Bidens condition was rounded on.

No, I’m afraid that’s simply not the case. Go and read further back in the thread for confirmation.

[Baroque attacks]

BikeBikeBIke said:

LF5335 said:

I’m not a Trump supporter, but …

Wouldn't a Trump supporter *want* Biden to be the Dem candidate?

At the moment, any Trump supporter who doesn’t wear a MAGA hat would see this as the as near to perfect position as possible.

[Bonefish Blues]

Baroque attacks said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

LF5335 said:

I’m not a Trump supporter, but …

Wouldn't a Trump supporter *want* Biden to be the Dem candidate?

At the moment, any Trump supporter who doesn’t wear a MAGA hat would see this as the as near to perfect position as possible.

[Jeanboi]

dvs_dave said:

Jeanboi said:

You must be confused.

I am not pro Trump.
I NEVER defend him.

I might be critical of Biden. But I NEVER defend Trump and criticism of Biden is not necessarily done in defence of Trump.
Discussing the differences between the two, and discussing the implications of this reality, does not equate to support for either.


I would welcome you to quote me and question me when I do make a statement that is implicitly supportive of Trump or shows a defence of his actions.

A weak Biden could lead to a second Trump. Can you not see this?

Hmmm, ok. Your posting style is completely at odds with that position and is leading everyone to believe the opposite. So you might want to have a think about that.

So hypothetically, if the presumptive candidates remain as they are currently, who would get your vote? Abstinence isn’t an option.

Hmmm, OK!
No Dave, I won't be stifling what I say to avoid your mind leading you to believe something that's incorrect.

And don't give me this 'everyone' crap. It's only you and LF and, quite frankly, it's typical behavior from you two that's oft repeated across this thread and against many.

Instead you should take note of the annoyance the (and I quote here) 'juvenile' type of approach you are following is generating amongst others.

Abstinence is an option and I don't care how you interpret that.

[irc]

A good summing up of why Biden will run.

"The Bidens each have one life to live, and it’s running out. Last spring, the couple faced a choice. As of 2025, they could spend the next four years being fêted, having their every need catered to, going to Big Important Meetings with other world leaders, powwowing at the very centre of the action during momentous events, having their views solicited and being fawned over by journalists, celebrities and dignitaries. Or they could shuffle to the beach, yell at the television news like everyone else and maybe found a library (which sounds tedious). Not much of a contest"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/biden-is-as-bi...

[FourWheelDrift]

I think also in certain political circles not serving the full 8 years as President is seen as failure.

[Crook]

That he would risk (potentially) the dismantling, or at the very least the sale of American democracy shows that he is either completely in denial or very arrogant.

If your schedule wears you out and your subsequent performance suffers then you’re not up to the task.

[London424]

£20 bet to a dementia charity of choice that within a year of Biden stepping aside or losing and we will get stories about how bad it all was? The lengths people around him had to go to cover it up etc.

[The Moose]

[paulguitar]

The Moose said:

That you, Moose?

[The Moose]

paulguitar said:

The Moose said:

That you, Moose?

I’m not that old and I certainly don’t sport a goatee…but the shirt did make me laugh and think of this thread.

[thatsprettyshady]

Biden Tells Governors He Needs to Sleep More and Work Less at Night - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/us/politics/bid...

[Jeanboi]

Some thoughts from American Democrats about what they think should happen and who could take over from JB.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6p2w01lg77o

Quote - some feel 'gaslit' by the Biden coverup.

Face it, this has turned into the Biden vs Trump (st)show.
Quite a lot of the proper process of giving airtime to a number of willing candidates has been sidestepped and they've jumped straight to an assumed two horse race. Doesn't feel as much like democracy as it should do.

A change of democratic party candidate could be the fresh start or reset that country really needs, to clear aside some of the polarisation and the cults of personality that have been formented.

Edited by Jeanboi on Thursday 4th July 21:51

[dvs_dave]

Jeanboi said:

Hmmm, OK!
No Dave, I won't be stifling what I say to avoid your mind leading you to believe something that's incorrect.

And don't give me this 'everyone' crap. It's only you and LF and, quite frankly, it's typical behavior from you two that's oft repeated across this thread and against many.

Instead you shoulda take note of the annoyance the (and I quote here) 'juvenile' type of approach you are following is generating amongst others.

Abstinence is an option and I don't care how you interpret that.

That’s what I thought. You don’t even have the stones to admit it, even hypothetically. Pathetic.

Fortunately my say in this whole situation isn’t hypothetical, and as it stands today, Biden in a body bag is still the smartest choice.

[Jeanboi]

dvs_dave said:

Jeanboi said:

Hmmm, OK!
No Dave, I won't be stifling what I say to avoid your mind leading you to believe something that's incorrect.

And don't give me this 'everyone' crap. It's only you and LF and, quite frankly, it's typical behavior from you two that's oft repeated across this thread and against many.

Instead you shoulda take note of the annoyance the (and I quote here) 'juvenile' type of approach you are following is generating amongst others.

Abstinence is an option and I don't care how you interpret that.

That’s what I thought. You don’t even have the stones to admit it, even hypothetically. Pathetic.

Fortunately my say in this whole situation isn’t hypothetical, and as it stands today, Biden in a body bag is still the smartest choice.

Dave, to make it clear enough to you - neither would get my vote as neither deserve it.

It's painfully obvious that you ask the question solely to be able to throw back yet another misinterpretation or mischaracterisation of my position.

I also recollect you were certain Biden would give Trump a thrashing in the recent debate so, from that, I'm not sure I place much value in your judgement of what forms a 'smart' choice anyway. If you want to invest your faith in that two horse race then that's your choice. There must be a better way.

[dvs_dave]

Jeanboi said:

Dave, to make it clear enough to you - neither would get my vote as neither deserve it.

It's painfully obvious that you ask the question solely to be able to throw back yet another misinterpretation or mischaracterisation of my position.

I also recollect you were certain Biden would give Trump a thrashing in the recent debate so, from that, I'm not sure I place much value in your judgement of what forms a 'smart' choice anyway. If you want to invest your faith in that two horse race then that's your choice. There must be a better way.

[NRS]

dvs_dave said:

That’s what I thought. You don’t even have the stones to admit it, even hypothetically. Pathetic.

Fortunately my say in this whole situation isn’t hypothetical, and as it stands today, Biden in a body bag is still the smartest choice.

The irony is this sort of attitude if applied to people who can vote in the US is a negative thing. The swing voters who will decide the election by their nature will not be for Biden or Trump. Yet we see some on here attack this sort of person and lump them as a cowardly Trump supporter frequently because they don’t say that Biden is a better candidate in some (or all) ways. That’s a stupid thing to do, it’s the sort of thing that will push people to Trump. Instead you should accept they might disagree but it’s better to vote for Trump because of xyz - and agree to disagree on some issues.

I’m not even a swing person as I’m 100% behind Biden’s team if it’s only those two but have been called it. Probably because I don’t feel the need to post loads of stuff agreeing with everyone most of the time, and there is very few real Trump supporters on here to call out. So I just call out the odd post I think it either not treating issues equally (you need to be a doctor to diagnose Biden but not for Trump etc) which I think is negative for getting people to vote against Trump. Aggressive attacks and selective facts and ‘truths’ is what he does, I don’t want to see it used by people against him.