Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
stevensdrs said:
One has to wonder what Sunak knows that the rest of us bewildered minions don't. It could be that he just has incredibly poor judgement and called the election early without proper consideration or he knows what is coming down the tracks and doesn't want to be the man in the firing line. We will find out soon and the wet lettuce Starmer will have to deal with it. God help us all.
My highest opinion is he just wanted out. He has an epic list of contacts now, huge financial resources and can live in the US and turn his personal wealth into multiple billionsWestyCarl said:
I think Sunak is probably smart and hardworking but lacks any sort of politial judgement, he should have surrounding himself with shrewd experienced political operators and listened to them. You only have to look as ther disasterous campaign to know this hasn't happened.
Sunak was the best option the Tories had but it wasn't enough because Sunak wasn't the cause of the problem. He was the facade they used to hide it. Like painting over rust. The problem is the Tory party itself. It became a party of extremist culture warriors who purged the party of anyone decent and would burn the country down around them to line their pockets and continue their culture war.
Nothing Sunak could do about that. Aside from refuse the job of course. I'm not absolving him, just pointing out the disease was the Tory party. It wouldn't matter who was the leader, they'd still be in the same mess. Sunak was their best option and it was nowhere near good enough.
So when it looked like the knives were out for Sunak, he decided to take his ball and call a GE.
stevensdrs said:
One has to wonder what Sunak knows that the rest of us bewildered minions don't. It could be that he just has incredibly poor judgement and called the election early without proper consideration or he knows what is coming down the tracks and doesn't want to be the man in the firing line. We will find out soon and the wet lettuce Starmer will have to deal with it. God help us all.
He thought he get the drop on Reform. They wouldn't have time to organise and maybe Farage wouldn't even get involved.Backfired massively, but made some sense at the point the decision was made.
Without Farage the Tory loss would have been quite respectable rather than a total wipeout.
Gecko1978 said:
James6112 said:
I wonder what he’ll do though.
Assuming he is not PM tomorrow.
Assuming he retains his seat (if he lost that it would be a highlight of the night!)
Why would a zillionaire ex-pm stick around as a backbench MP. His party possibly destroyed, no way back. Under his watch.
Will be interesting to see how he extracts himself to pastures new.
Can’t see any big tech companies wanting him, soiled goods.
Not a great CV!
He will be off to the US he will be speaking circuit making more money and he is very focused on AI an crypto so will be picked up. But he doesn't need money he also doesn't need the UK. Win or loose his seat he will have left before end of the yearAssuming he is not PM tomorrow.
Assuming he retains his seat (if he lost that it would be a highlight of the night!)
Why would a zillionaire ex-pm stick around as a backbench MP. His party possibly destroyed, no way back. Under his watch.
Will be interesting to see how he extracts himself to pastures new.
Can’t see any big tech companies wanting him, soiled goods.
Not a great CV!
stevensdrs said:
One has to wonder what Sunak knows that the rest of us bewildered minions don't. It could be that he just has incredibly poor judgement and called the election early without proper consideration or he knows what is coming down the tracks and doesn't want to be the man in the firing line. We will find out soon and the wet lettuce Starmer will have to deal with it. God help us all.
I can only imagine he was aware of the polls, knew he wasn't turning it around and just pulled the rip cord.He won't think twice about Mr Brittas being in charge while he's living in Santa Monica.
Tycho said:
Don't forget Nick Clegg got a cushy job at Meta and that wasn't for his performance in government.
Nick Clegg is/was *very* talented and worked as a researcher for a Tory. So good there was basically a bidding war between the Torys and Lib Dems to get him into their party. He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
BikeBikeBIke said:
Tycho said:
Don't forget Nick Clegg got a cushy job at Meta and that wasn't for his performance in government.
Nick Clegg is/was *very* talented and worked as a researcher for a Tory. So good there was basically a bidding war between the Torys and Lib Dems to get him into their party. He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
BikeBikeBIke said:
Nick Clegg is/was *very* talented and worked as a researcher for a Tory. So good there was basically a bidding war between the Torys and Lib Dems to get him into their party.
He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
Are you his wife or his publicist?He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
Chicken Chaser said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Nick Clegg is/was *very* talented and worked as a researcher for a Tory. So good there was basically a bidding war between the Torys and Lib Dems to get him into their party.
He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
Are you his wife or his publicist?He was going to be a success whatever he did and his subsequent career demonstrates that. I
BikeBikeBIke said:
Cameron, Sunak, May and Johnson all have the same excuse. None of them wanted the cards they were dealt.
Very few PMs get a good inheritance because people tend to vote for the incumbent when things are going well and against when things are going badly meaning handover is disproportionately during bad times (either electorally or economically or both).Gecko1978 said:
James6112 said:
I wonder what he’ll do though.
Assuming he is not PM tomorrow.
Assuming he retains his seat (if he lost that it would be a highlight of the night!)
Why would a zillionaire ex-pm stick around as a backbench MP. His party possibly destroyed, no way back. Under his watch.
Will be interesting to see how he extracts himself to pastures new.
Can’t see any big tech companies wanting him, soiled goods.
Not a great CV!
He will be off to the US he will be speaking circuit making more money and he is very focused on AI an crypto so will be picked up. But he doesn't need money he also doesn't need the UK. Win or loose his seat he will have left before end of the yearAssuming he is not PM tomorrow.
Assuming he retains his seat (if he lost that it would be a highlight of the night!)
Why would a zillionaire ex-pm stick around as a backbench MP. His party possibly destroyed, no way back. Under his watch.
Will be interesting to see how he extracts himself to pastures new.
Can’t see any big tech companies wanting him, soiled goods.
Not a great CV!
- some of the potential candidates for the next Tory leader won't be MPs on Friday, Kemi Badenoch's seat is one example - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9785zegzm8o
- enough seats will be disputed (either for cause as above or for Trumpian behaviours) that we won't know whether the Tories or the Lib Dems are the Loyal Opposition. Can Parliament even sit if that isn't settled?
carlo996 said:
Sunak has access to pretty much every financial heavyweight in the world. He has every government, and every world leader in his address book. His network is worth infinitely more money than that s
tty PM salary, which let's be honest...his wife makes more in interest payments.
Not sure he’ll get much joy out of that list of governing contacts tbh given he will be perceived as a failed prime minister that has led his party to a historic defeat. That glided network might politely nod at him but he’ll not be able to call in much favours and use out of it as it’s ruthlessly self serving and has little time for failures. Even the influence of his in- laws might struggle to offset the damage done to his reputation from his tenure tbh.tty PM salary, which let's be honest...his wife makes more in interest payments.isaldiri said:
Not sure he’ll get much joy out of that list of governing contacts tbh given he will be perceived as a failed prime minister that has led his party to a historic defeat. That glided network might politely nod at him but he’ll not be able to call in much favours and use out of it as it’s ruthlessly self serving and has little time for failures. Even the influence of his in- laws might struggle to offset the damage done to his reputation from his tenure tbh.
He'll literally have to beg outside of McDonald's 
An ex PM not being able self serve. That's exactly what will happen
carlo996 said:
isaldiri said:
Not sure he’ll get much joy out of that list of governing contacts tbh given he will be perceived as a failed prime minister that has led his party to a historic defeat. That glided network might politely nod at him but he’ll not be able to call in much favours and use out of it as it’s ruthlessly self serving and has little time for failures. Even the influence of his in- laws might struggle to offset the damage done to his reputation from his tenure tbh.
He'll literally have to beg outside of McDonald's An ex PM not being able self serve. That's exactly what will happen
isaldiri said:
Not sure he’ll get much joy out of that list of governing contacts tbh given he will be perceived as a failed prime minister that has led his party to a historic defeat. That glided network might politely nod at him but he’ll not be able to call in much favours and use out of it as it’s ruthlessly self serving and has little time for failures. Even the influence of his in- laws might struggle to offset the damage done to his reputation from his tenure tbh.
Not sure "failure" matters so much as whether he has being doing favours for the right people while in office.BikeBikeBIke said:
oyster said:
carlo996 said:
markh1973 said:
As opposed to those using the politics of fear and making up Labour's policies for them.
Try again, Labour themselves haven’t denied the tax rises and it’s what every Labour government does. By fear, if you mean fear of paying more…see what odds you get at the bookmakers If I'm asked to pay an extra 5% of my total income in tax - it won't break me.
But yeah, us middle income PAYE people will be first in the fireing line whoever wins, as always.
That means a couple of other people need to contribute more to just break even.
Tax is a means to raise money and to change behavior. You can't have one without the other so when you tax work more, you also encourage people to work less.
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stevensdrs said:
One has to wonder what Sunak knows that the rest of us bewildered minions don't. It could be that he just has incredibly poor judgement and called the election early without proper consideration or he knows what is coming down the tracks and doesn't want to be the man in the firing line. We will find out soon and the wet lettuce Starmer will have to deal with it. God help us all.
I can only imagine he was aware of the polls, knew he wasn't turning it around and just pulled the rip cord.He won't think twice about Mr Brittas being in charge while he's living in Santa Monica.
If I was him I'd have my tickets booked and a sunlounger at the ready. It's time for Starmer to show us how it's done.
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