46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
Durzel said:
My point about people saying "tis vital for the country that X doesn't happen" seem to be trying to impose their will on the people. If the US votes Trump back in, then that's on them, and the fallout will be what it is.
So Hitler’s ascension to power was ok because those who supported ultimately got to see the error of their ways?It is the duty of anyone intent on defending democracy to try to get ahead of that type of curve…
Meetings taking place today - https://capitolfax.com/2024/07/03/here-we-go-6/?ut...
tim0409 said:
I read today that polling suggests the only way for the Democrats to beat Trump is if Michelle Obama gets the nomination. It may be far fetched but I would definitely take that over another Biden/Trump contest.
Not so much far fetched as impossible, Obama has repeatedly been asked about running and has always answered "hell no" or words to that effect.LF5335 said:
Durzel said:
But what if "the country" chooses to vote him in, by a majority in a democratic vote?
If you’re on about Trump, the majority didn’t vote him in when he won in 2016. skwdenyer said:
Durzel said:
My point about people saying "tis vital for the country that X doesn't happen" seem to be trying to impose their will on the people. If the US votes Trump back in, then that's on them, and the fallout will be what it is.
So Hitler’s ascension to power was ok because those who supported ultimately got to see the error of their ways?It is the duty of anyone intent on defending democracy to try to get ahead of that type of curve…
hidetheelephants said:
tim0409 said:
I read today that polling suggests the only way for the Democrats to beat Trump is if Michelle Obama gets the nomination. It may be far fetched but I would definitely take that over another Biden/Trump contest.
Not so much far fetched as impossible, Obama has repeatedly been asked about running and has always answered "hell no" or words to that effect.While she'll be wildly popular with the Dems for voters and in getting it the younger voters, she may achieve the same with the Republicans and mobilize them too.
Regardless, she's seen the effects of the job first hand - I think she's too intelligent to do it, knowing what it entails.
The Democrats only need to nominate someone twenty years younger who isn't a complete tit and they'll be a shoe in.
Kamala excepted for reasons covered above. If they nominate her, it'll be another case of "her turn" and a classic example of turning victory into defeat.
Not forgetting the Republicans making changes and 'putting their finger on the scale' to make it harder for Democrats to vote/win: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/04/05/r...
The Moose said:
g3org3y said:
Wasn’t he at Cap David for a week prior to the debate? Same time zone, no?!Even the BBC call BS, it seems.
Funk said:
Not forgetting the Republicans making changes and 'putting their finger on the scale' to make it harder for Democrats to vote/win: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/04/05/r...
Can Biden overrule this stuff with an executive order as an “official act”? 
skwdenyer said:
Durzel said:
My point about people saying "tis vital for the country that X doesn't happen" seem to be trying to impose their will on the people. If the US votes Trump back in, then that's on them, and the fallout will be what it is.
So Hitler’s ascension to power was ok because those who supported ultimately got to see the error of their ways?It is the duty of anyone intent on defending democracy to try to get ahead of that type of curve…
Edited by mko9 on Wednesday 3rd July 16:43
hidetheelephants said:
mko9 said:
hidetheelephants said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Convicted felon Hunter Biden now sitting in on White House meetings, listening in to phone calls with top aides and now closely advising his father.
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/180820539321639351...
Rather a hysterical way of putting it; the president has his son with him for moral support at a time when he's facing calls to step down as the democratic candidate, justified or not stepping down would be unprecedented. https://x.com/collinrugg/status/180820539321639351...
President Johnson stepped down in 1968, rather than run for reelection.
mko9 said:
You apparently don't know what the definition of unprecedented is, as President Johnson stepped down. You didn't previously attached time restrictions to your opinion. And the DNC convention hasn't even happened yet, so President Biden is not actually the Democratic Party candidate for President. Presumptive, yes. Actual, no.
Congratulations; you know what unprecedented means. LBJ chose to step down; no one was expecting it, never mind clamouring for it. That was unprecedented. People are clamouring for Biden to step down; this is also unprecedented, at least in the sense there are actual elected democrats doing it. It's also unprecedented because it's 4 months to the polls. It's unprecedented because he's the oldest candidate, presumptive or otherwise, to run for president. I could probably find other aspects about it that are unprecedented but I couldn't be bothered. mko9 said:
skwdenyer said:
Durzel said:
My point about people saying "tis vital for the country that X doesn't happen" seem to be trying to impose their will on the people. If the US votes Trump back in, then that's on them, and the fallout will be what it is.
So Hitler’s ascension to power was ok because those who supported ultimately got to see the error of their ways?It is the duty of anyone intent on defending democracy to try to get ahead of that type of curve…
I’m not likening Trump to a Nazi; I’m saying that standing by with a shrug whilst extremists come to power through the ballot box is not a wise strategy.
pneumothorax said:
LF
re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
Why describe all of what you think Biden's issues are but specifically stop short of Trump's? Weird one. I know it's the Biden thread but still?re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
F1GTRUeno said:
pneumothorax said:
LF
re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
Why describe all of what you think Biden's issues are but specifically stop short of Trump's? Weird one. I know it's the Biden thread but still?re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
skwdenyer said:
mko9 said:
skwdenyer said:
Durzel said:
My point about people saying "tis vital for the country that X doesn't happen" seem to be trying to impose their will on the people. If the US votes Trump back in, then that's on them, and the fallout will be what it is.
So Hitler’s ascension to power was ok because those who supported ultimately got to see the error of their ways?It is the duty of anyone intent on defending democracy to try to get ahead of that type of curve…
I’m not likening Trump to a Nazi; I’m saying that standing by with a shrug whilst extremists come to power through the ballot box is not a wise strategy.
Again, if psople vote for something in a democractic election (i.e. where they are not compelled to vote for any particular person, have the free choice to vote for who they want, etc) then the result is what it is, with whatever consequences that brings.
You/we can't stop that without imposing an alternative kind of fascism - one where Trump voters wishes are invalidated.
No one is "shrugging" at any of this.
PurplePenguin said:
F1GTRUeno said:
pneumothorax said:
LF
re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
Why describe all of what you think Biden's issues are but specifically stop short of Trump's? Weird one. I know it's the Biden thread but still?re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
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