Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

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otolith

61,387 posts

219 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Rusty Old-Banger said:
Is Rishi being a nimby about his local watercourse having turds floating in it then?

ajprice

30,655 posts

211 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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hidetheelephants said:
President Merkin said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'd argue that it is, he's a st leader and this is an outcome of st leadership. It reeks of people thinking nothing's changed since Boris left and this is just continuity Johnson govt. Not so much "fk business" as "fk everything and everyone that aren't us".
ISWYM but in an uncharacteristic outbreak of even handedness, I don't think even he could have foreseen the hill the Tories were ready to die on was William Hill.
rofl You win today's internet.
A quick phone Photoshop pic hehe


ajprice

30,655 posts

211 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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John Oliver's call to arms https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/180553402568929... (NSFW, sweary)

Elysium

16,063 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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ATG said:
Elysium said:
For me the Labour situation is worse because there is no obvious defence and because the ‘victims’ are the electorate.

He has put himself in a position, probably through deception, where he has bet on an event where the outcome that pays out (losing) is in his direct control.

In contrast it has yet to be proven that the two conservatives under investigation were actually in possession of inside information. They are also less directly connected with the event and not in direct control of the outcome.

The bigger issue for me though is that the Labour candidates actions impact the voters. So it goes beyond a simple gambling offence and potentially interferes with the election.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it.
That is ludicrous. You cannot seriously think the Labour candidate would prefer to lose the election and win the bet. That is utterly ridiculous.

The Tories, and there are 15 of them under investigation, not 2 of them, were placing bets on a decision that they may have had inside information about. The Labour candidate cannot know the outcome of his own election and it is silly to pretend he might throw the election to win the bet.

They are all pillocks. I know two of them and I have to say I feel considerable sympathy for them. They are pillocks but not bad human beings and they are reaping the whirlwind over a pretty trivial matter.
The breaking news section of the Telegraph said only 2 conservatives were under active investigation as of last night. Obviously there is still also a bunch from the Met police.

It doesn't matter what I think about the prospect of the labour candidate throwing the election to win the bet. The fact is that he can deliberately. Betting on himself in these circumstances requires deception and is totally unacceptable. Particularly as voters in his constituency are affected by his stupidity.



Vanden Saab

16,053 posts

89 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Elysium said:
The breaking news section of the Telegraph said only 2 conservatives were under active investigation as of last night. Obviously there is still also a bunch from the Met police.

It doesn't matter what I think about the prospect of the labour candidate throwing the election to win the bet. The fact is that he can deliberately. Betting on himself in these circumstances requires deception and is totally unacceptable. Particularly as voters in his constituency are affected by his stupidity.
Would it make a difference if he knew that his own party had an agreement with the lib dems not to support him so as to beat the tory?

S600BSB

6,583 posts

121 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Bonefish Blues said:
S600BSB said:
Is Rishi now managing the England football team? Bloody hell that was rubbish.
He's stopped the goals
Very good

Elysium

16,063 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Vanden Saab said:
Elysium said:
The breaking news section of the Telegraph said only 2 conservatives were under active investigation as of last night. Obviously there is still also a bunch from the Met police.

It doesn't matter what I think about the prospect of the labour candidate throwing the election to win the bet. The fact is that he can deliberately. Betting on himself in these circumstances requires deception and is totally unacceptable. Particularly as voters in his constituency are affected by his stupidity.
Would it make a difference if he knew that his own party had an agreement with the lib dems not to support him so as to beat the tory?
I would say that would be another example of the way this situation could end up being abused.

Is this being suggested or is it a purely hypothetical question?

bitchstewie

58,477 posts

225 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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S600BSB said:
15 Conservative candidates and officials now being investigated. Looks like the Sunday Times was right.
15?

That could be a quarter of their remaining MPs if the polls are accurate hehe

pingu393

9,523 posts

220 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Elysium said:
Vanden Saab said:
Elysium said:
The breaking news section of the Telegraph said only 2 conservatives were under active investigation as of last night. Obviously there is still also a bunch from the Met police.

It doesn't matter what I think about the prospect of the labour candidate throwing the election to win the bet. The fact is that he can deliberately. Betting on himself in these circumstances requires deception and is totally unacceptable. Particularly as voters in his constituency are affected by his stupidity.
Would it make a difference if he knew that his own party had an agreement with the lib dems not to support him so as to beat the tory?
I would say that would be another example of the way this situation could end up being abused.

Is this being suggested or is it a purely hypothetical question?
If it were, was it public knowledge when the bet was laid?

Bonefish Blues

31,716 posts

238 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Shirty Rishi seems to have turned up tonight

thetapeworm

12,594 posts

254 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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He's a feisty little fella for sure.

Snow and Rocks

2,859 posts

42 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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I haven't watched any of the other debates but Rishi is hammering Keir over and over again tonight - fair enough Starmer isn't much of an opponent but genuinely surprised at how strong Sunak is coming across.

Mr Penguin

3,456 posts

54 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...

Elysium

16,063 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th June 2024
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Mr Penguin said:
Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...
This has to be the winner surely. Non paywalled story here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/philip-davies-ac...

Police investigating as potentially other offences beyond gambling act.

jdw100

5,296 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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Elysium said:
Mr Penguin said:
Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...
This has to be the winner surely. Non paywalled story here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/philip-davies-ac...

Police investigating as potentially other offences beyond gambling act.
I’m not clear; was the bet 8k or would he win 8k?

If the former, how much would he have won?


Elysium

16,063 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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jdw100 said:
Elysium said:
Mr Penguin said:
Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...
This has to be the winner surely. Non paywalled story here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/philip-davies-ac...

Police investigating as potentially other offences beyond gambling act.
I’m not clear; was the bet 8k or would he win 8k?

If the former, how much would he have won?
Labour were the favourite with odds given as 1/7 here:

https://news.bet365.com/en-gb/article/politics-odd...

If he put £8k down he would win around £1140



shed driver

2,597 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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If he does lose his seat, possibly (but no actual proof) that this has been a factor, would the bet still be valid?

SD.

Elysium

16,063 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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shed driver said:
If he does lose his seat, possibly (but no actual proof) that this has been a factor, would the bet still be valid?

SD.
I would be amazed if the bet has not already been cancelled by the bookmaker. It’s obvious that he will not have declared his role in the outcome, so he has used deception to gain an unfair advantage.

Question is if he has broken other laws. I think that must be the case.

jdw100

5,296 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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Elysium said:
jdw100 said:
Elysium said:
Mr Penguin said:
Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...
This has to be the winner surely. Non paywalled story here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/philip-davies-ac...

Police investigating as potentially other offences beyond gambling act.
I’m not clear; was the bet 8k or would he win 8k?

If the former, how much would he have won?
Labour were the favourite with odds given as 1/7 here:

https://news.bet365.com/en-gb/article/politics-odd...

If he put £8k down he would win around £1140
Sorry, never put a bet on anything in my life.

He would have lost money on the bet if he had won the bet?

madbadger

11,661 posts

259 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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jdw100 said:
Elysium said:
jdw100 said:
Elysium said:
Mr Penguin said:
Now this is a proper bet - £8k. At least he didn't try to deflect using the word "flutter" as though a flutter is worse than a bet. It's quickly becoming my least favourite word in politics, just as journos stopped saying "psychodrama" they spring this one on me.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-...
This has to be the winner surely. Non paywalled story here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/philip-davies-ac...

Police investigating as potentially other offences beyond gambling act.
I’m not clear; was the bet 8k or would he win 8k?

If the former, how much would he have won?
Labour were the favourite with odds given as 1/7 here:

https://news.bet365.com/en-gb/article/politics-odd...

If he put £8k down he would win around £1140
Sorry, never put a bet on anything in my life.

He would have lost money on the bet if he had won the bet?
You get your stake back if you win a bet.