46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[vetrof]

LF5335 said:

Plot lost. Kool Aid swallowed.

They say the first step to recovery is aknowledging the problem. Well done, we're all rooting for you.

[CoolHands]

thatsprettyshady said:

Case in point with this clownery - https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/18074227467348747...

Sounds like she’s got whatever biden’s got

[NRS]

CoolHands said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Case in point with this clownery - https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/18074227467348747...

Sounds like she’s got whatever biden’s got

It’s a bizarre strategy to use, it’s just gaslighting and makes you look an idiot.

Obama got it far better, said it was bad but Biden is better than Trump.

https://x.com/barackobama/status/18067586332307090...

[hidetheelephants]

DeejRC said:

A) Yes, the Dems should have managed this before now and resolved the situation.
B) It’s very difficult to go against a sitting Pres if/when he wants to run for the 2nd term, especially your own party!
You basically have to commit Regicide. That is not something which is approached easily or lightly - get it wrong and, well…American politics goes medieval on your ass!

Doubtful the DNC would attempt that, it's legally difficult and progressing it through the courts would probably take far too long. If he choses to stay as the candidate the only likely means would be the 25th amendment, which would likely have a fairly bad effect on the polls for whoever was picked to replace him.

[EddieSteadyGo]

NBC reporting Biden is meeting with his family today - part of the discussion will include whether he continues to run. NBC also reporting that Nancy Pelosi is expressing her concerns privately about him continuing as the candidate. Bill O'Reilly is going much further, saying the decision has been made that Biden is quitting after internal Democrat polling suggested he couldn't recover from the debate. Obviously O'Reilly isn't a neutral observer, but taken together it seems like Biden is on his way out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bid...

https://x.com/BillOReilly/status/18074573604677062...

[vaud]

EddieSteadyGo said:

NBC reporting Biden is meeting with his family today - part of the discussion will include whether he continues to run. NBC also reporting that Nancy Pelosi is expressing her concerns privately about him continuing as the candidate. Bill O'Reilly is going much further, saying the decision has been made that Biden is quitting after internal Democrat polling suggested he couldn't recover from the debate. Obviously O'Reilly isn't a neutral observer, but taken together it seems like Biden is on his way out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bid...

https://x.com/BillOReilly/status/18074573604677062...

Is their precedent for switching candidates this far into the process?

[skwdenyer]

EddieSteadyGo said:

NBC reporting Biden is meeting with his family today - part of the discussion will include whether he continues to run. NBC also reporting that Nancy Pelosi is expressing her concerns privately about him continuing as the candidate. Bill O'Reilly is going much further, saying the decision has been made that Biden is quitting after internal Democrat polling suggested he couldn't recover from the debate. Obviously O'Reilly isn't a neutral observer, but taken together it seems like Biden is on his way out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bid...

https://x.com/BillOReilly/status/18074573604677062...

If he goes it will be a shame, but unlike so many Presidents he can look back on a job well done. If only he’d not been passed over in favour of Hilary Clinton.

[Bonefish Blues]

skwdenyer said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

NBC reporting Biden is meeting with his family today - part of the discussion will include whether he continues to run. NBC also reporting that Nancy Pelosi is expressing her concerns privately about him continuing as the candidate. Bill O'Reilly is going much further, saying the decision has been made that Biden is quitting after internal Democrat polling suggested he couldn't recover from the debate. Obviously O'Reilly isn't a neutral observer, but taken together it seems like Biden is on his way out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bid...

https://x.com/BillOReilly/status/18074573604677062...

If he goes it will be a shame, but unlike so many Presidents he can look back on a job well done. If only he’d not been passed over in favour of Hilary Clinton.

If he goes he leaves with his record of public service unsullied, which is what he deserves.

[EddieSteadyGo]

vaud said:

Is their precedent for switching candidates this far into the process?

Honestly I'm not sure. But I would be pretty certain the reason they pulled forward the date for the first debate into June was to ensure they had time if this scenario happened prior to the DNC in August.

[dvs_dave]

thatsprettyshady said:

Why would they bother? The MSM and fellow Dems are doing the damage to themselves the last few days - "Never inturrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

They know that the Dems are so insanely anti-Trump that they are failing to see just how bad Biden is, they will defend him to the hilt even with mountains of evidence to the contrary, because not Trump.

We see it in here with people proudly proclaiming - (paraphrasing) "Yes he may have a stutter/be old/senile, but out of the two of them I'd be voting for Biden!"

But that's not going to work on the swing voters as they don't think that way. Dems need to get rid of him now.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Sunday 30th June 14:47

Swing voters aren’t that dumb. They’re generally more intelligent, nuanced, and politically savvy than the simpletons that make up the bases. They vote for what they think will be best for the next 4 years. For anyone with a modicum of common sense, it’s crystal clear that it’s still not trump and his wretched hive of scum and villainy. Biden in a bodybag is more appealing.

[hidetheelephants]

skwdenyer said:

If he goes it will be a shame, but unlike so many Presidents he can look back on a job well done. If only he’d not been passed over in favour of Hilary Clinton.

He chose not to run, it wasn't long after his son died.

[FourWheelDrift]

vaud said:

Is their precedent for switching candidates this far into the process?

It has never happened before.

[IanH755]

dvs_dave said:

Swing voters aren’t that dumb. They’re generally more intelligent, nuanced, and politically savvy than the simpletons that make up the bases. They vote for what they think will be best for the next 4 years. For anyone with a modicum of common sense, it’s crystal clear that it’s still not trump and his wretched hive of scum and villainy. Biden in a bodybag is more appealing.

These swing voters are more likely looking at what 4 years of Trump did to their day to day life vs 4 years of Biden, and Trump, no matter how much understandable hate he got for being an idiot, will come out better vs Biden when those swing voters look at their finances over the past 8 years.

The utter travesty is that out of 300m people - these pair of geriatric fools are the "best" that they can find - and the rest of the world just has to shake its head in despair no matter who wins.

[dvs_dave]

skwdenyer said:

If he goes it will be a shame, but unlike so many Presidents he can look back on a job well done. If only he’d not been passed over in favour of Hilary Clinton.

Biden was the unofficial DEM favorite for 2016 over Hilary. He didn’t run because the family were grieving over the recent loss of son Beau due to brain cancer.

[paulguitar]

IanH755 said:

These swing voters are more likely looking at what 4 years of Trump did to their day to day life vs 4 years of Biden, and Trump, no matter how much understandable hate he got for being an idiot, will come out better vs Biden when those swing voters look at their finances over the past 8 years.

Only people of limited intellect would expect to be better off on the back of a global pandemic. trump supporters are like this almost without exception, but swing voters might be more able to understand context.

[dvs_dave]

IanH755 said:

dvs_dave said:

Swing voters aren’t that dumb. They’re generally more intelligent, nuanced, and politically savvy than the simpletons that make up the bases. They vote for what they think will be best for the next 4 years. For anyone with a modicum of common sense, it’s crystal clear that it’s still not trump and his wretched hive of scum and villainy. Biden in a bodybag is more appealing.

These swing voters are more likely looking at what 4 years of Trump did to their day to day life vs 4 years of Biden, and Trump, no matter how much understandable hate he got for being an idiot, will come out better vs Biden when those swing voters look at their finances over the past 8 years.

The utter travesty is that out of 300m people - these pair of geriatric fools are the "best" that they can find - and the rest of the world just has to shake its head in despair no matter who wins.

Nope, that’s simpleton base voter levels of understanding. Yet here we are, and it’s a simple vote for one or the other, or not at all. I still know where my vote is going this time around having lived through both incumbents. Chaos and mass civil unrest, vs peace and business as usual.

[FourWheelDrift]

paulguitar said:

Only people of limited intellect would expect to be better off on the back of a global pandemic. trump supporters are like this almost without exception, but swing voters might be more able to understand context.

54% of US adults have a literacy level below 6th grade, that's a lot of stupid easily influenced people to still vote Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/...

[dvs_dave]

FourWheelDrift said:

54% of US adults have a literacy level below 6th grade, that's a lot of stupid easily influenced people to still vote Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/...

Nothing new there. How many of them do you think are swing voters, or even voters at all?

[skwdenyer]

dvs_dave said:

skwdenyer said:

If he goes it will be a shame, but unlike so many Presidents he can look back on a job well done. If only he’d not been passed over in favour of Hilary Clinton.

Biden was the unofficial DEM favorite for 2016 over Hilary. He didn’t run because the family were grieving over the recent loss of son Beau due to brain cancer.

Thank you. I missed that important point.

[raftom]

vaud said:

Is their precedent for switching candidates this far into the process?

This late no, but in 1968 Lyndon Johnson quit the race in March/April, amid bad polls, Vietnam and some health concerns (the day after his approval ratings increased from 36 percent to 49 percent). By then the primaries were going on, but some months later Robert Kennedy was assassinated and the eventual nominee lost to Nixon by less then 1% of the votes.