45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[Strangely Brown]

Hey, dobbo, would you mind awfully keeping it on topic here, please.
You've already apologised to Kinky once and I suspect even his patience has limits.
I quite enjoy this thread, even with the odd not Trumper dropping in so I would really rather it didn't get locked.

Whaddaya say, huh?

Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 8th July 21:41

[Mortarboard]

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

I'd love to know what the current state of play is regarding how many trump votes might show up this time.

Still no flags/bumper stickers here.

M.

[unrepentant]

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

Are you unconcerned about people not showing up for Biden?

Since then Trump has been found guilty of sexual assault (and the judge made it clear that he committed rape).

Trump has also been found guilty on 34 counts of falsification of business records.

Trump's business, that he controls 100%, was found guilty of multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records.

Trump led an insurrection and tried to overthrow the results of an election for which he is facing dozens of other felony charges.

Trump also faces numerous felony charges under the espionage act for wilful retention of national defense documents.

But Joe Biden had a bad debate night.

The past two weeks have been dominated by Biden's debate performance. (Trump hasn't been seen for 10 days).

The next 4 months will be spent talking about what a great job the Biden administration has done and exposing the lies, criminality and incompetence of Trump. Project 2025 will be front and center and that is something that will frighten middle America and women in general to death.

[unrepentant]

Mortarboard said:

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

I'd love to know what the current state of play is regarding how many trump votes might show up this time.

Still no flags/bumper stickers here.

M.

None here either and I live in a very red state.

[Mortarboard]

All about optics from here on.

M.

[thatsprettyshady]

unrepentant said:

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

Are you unconcerned about people not showing up for Biden?

Since then Trump has been found guilty of sexual assault (and the judge made it clear that he committed rape).

Trump has also been found guilty on 34 counts of falsification of business records.

Trump's business, that he controls 100%, was found guilty of multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records.

Trump led an insurrection and tried to overthrow the results of an election for which he is facing dozens of other felony charges.

Trump also faces numerous felony charges under the espionage act for wilful retention of national defense documents.

But Joe Biden had a bad debate night.

The past two weeks have been dominated by Biden's debate performance. (Trump hasn't been seen for 10 days).

The next 4 months will be spent talking about what a great job the Biden administration has done and exposing the lies, criminality and incompetence of Trump. Project 2025 will be front and center and that is something that will frighten middle America and women in general to death.

Incredible that despite all that, he is still polling neck and neck or even ahead of the other guy.

[unrepentant]

thatsprettyshady said:

Incredible that despite all that, he is still polling neck and neck or even ahead of the other guy.

Funny thing about polls, they're often badly wrong. And like I said, the campaign has 4 months to go and that's an age in American politics.

[thatsprettyshady]

unrepentant said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Incredible that despite all that, he is still polling neck and neck or even ahead of the other guy.

Funny thing about polls, they're often badly wrong. And like I said, the campaign has 4 months to go and that's an age in American politics.

As has been proven in the last couple of weeks

[off_again]

unrepentant said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Incredible that despite all that, he is still polling neck and neck or even ahead of the other guy.

Funny thing about polls, they're often badly wrong. And like I said, the campaign has 4 months to go and that's an age in American politics.

Not sure about European news outlets - but here, the polls had Le Pen winning the French election but got it totally wrong. Surely, after all of this time, we would have realized that polls have a major issue with accuracy today and in the past. Not saying that all of them are incorrect, but figuring out which one are accurate and which ones arent is a challenge.

Personally I have a major issue believing any poll at the moment.

[thatsprettyshady]

“The Republican National Committee is preparing to adopt a new platform that doesn’t include a call for a national abortion ban, shifting the GOP’s 40-year-old stance on abortion” - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/07/08...

Bowing to Trump, Republicans drop federal abortion ban from platform - https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2024/07/08/bowing...

Renowned mega-hitler Trump forces Republican Party to drop calls for nationwide abortion ban, also softens language on same sex marriage to align with Trump’s views.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Monday 8th July 23:01

[gregs656]

unrepentant said:

Since then Trump has been found guilty of sexual assault (and the judge made it clear that he committed rape).

Trump has also been found guilty on 34 counts of falsification of business records.

Trump's business, that he controls 100%, was found guilty of multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records.

Trump led an insurrection and tried to overthrow the results of an election for which he is facing dozens of other felony charges.

Trump also faces numerous felony charges under the espionage act for wilful retention of national defense documents.

But Joe Biden had a bad debate night.

The past two weeks have been dominated by Biden's debate performance. (Trump hasn't been seen for 10 days).

The next 4 months will be spent talking about what a great job the Biden administration has done and exposing the lies, criminality and incompetence of Trump. Project 2025 will be front and center and that is something that will frighten middle America and women in general to death.

I don’t need the list, honestly. I get it.

That bad debate night - if that’s how you want to characterise it - is going to cost.

So far the Dems seem weak on their messaging and are going to be totally preoccupied defending Bidens age and mental capacity.

[NRS]

dobbo_ said:

Weird that all the chat in the Trump thread is about Biden? (not weird)

With the far right being wiped out in France and the UK, all the focus now is on maintaining the idea that that particular ideology has any traction in the modern world.

Hint: it doesn't

The far right were not wiped out in France, they’re the biggest party there. But thankfully they lost out to the more moderate/left wing groups as a whole. But it remains to be seen if those groups can form a workable coalition.

[gregs656]

off_again said:

Not sure about European news outlets - but here, the polls had Le Pen winning the French election but got it totally wrong. Surely, after all of this time, we would have realized that polls have a major issue with accuracy today and in the past. Not saying that all of them are incorrect, but figuring out which one are accurate and which ones arent is a challenge.

Personally I have a major issue believing any poll at the moment.

I am no expert but I just don’t think the assumptions used in polling for the last little while has kept pace with rapidly changing sentiment and increasingly polarised positions.

The voter base for democrats and the GOP is changing and I don’t think the polls manage that well.

[Starfighter]

unrepentant said:

Mortarboard said:

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

I'd love to know what the current state of play is regarding how many trump votes might show up this time.

Still no flags/bumper stickers here.

M.

None here either and I live in a very red state.

I wonder if that is linked to money. The RNC is pushing all the cash to Trump’s legal cases which means no cash for bumper stickers and yard signs.

[off_again]

Starfighter said:

unrepentant said:

Mortarboard said:

gregs656 said:

Trump got 74m votes 4 years a go against a much stronger candidate than he faces today.

I'd love to know what the current state of play is regarding how many trump votes might show up this time.

Still no flags/bumper stickers here.

M.

None here either and I live in a very red state.

I wonder if that is linked to money. The RNC is pushing all the cash to Trump’s legal cases which means no cash for bumper stickers and yard signs.

Nope, sorry.

Same here - well not quite. Been saying this for a while, but I am in a VERY red area of the Socialist Republic of California and there is nothing. Nothing on the 4th, no hat wearing oldies - nada.

There is a 'Trump stand' on the main road through the area, but they have had to diversify from just Trump stuff to Dont Tread On Me flags and all sorts of weird stuff. I nearly expected them to carry the rainbow flag too. But no little signs in peoples front gardens, no bumper stickers and no t-shirts. Its still very early, but I was seeing all of this stuff for both 2016 and 2020.

And there are too many enterprising individuals who will cash in and sell anything to anyone, if there was a market. Doesnt have to come from the GOP and there is no copyright on the name 'Trump' anyway. The fact that no-one has figured out a way to monetize this says everything - drastically reduced number of people willing to be associated with Trump and what he stands for. Or should I put it the other way - support is private and no one wants to be seen supporting him.

[gregs656]

I drove through NY, PA and NJ and saw very little support for anyone.

I was in Buffalo 2 weeks ago and saw a yard from the highway decked out in Trump garb though.

[911hope]

g4ry13 said:

Add to that list that he also tried to withdraw the US from the highly ineffective World Health Organization (WHO).

They really had to be seen to do something with the bump stock after the mass shooting in Vegas.

So massive shootings have stopped in the US?

No?

Then perhaps they have reduced?

No?

[hidetheelephants]

I imagine that both racism and shootings have stopped or at least subsided to levels comparable to the rest of the world, the supreme court overturned legislation to combat both these social ills must mean it is so. Or they're a bunch of sociopathic ideologues so wildly out of touch with both the constitution and the population that they do not care and are happy pandering to special interests who buy them holidays and large motorhomes.

[Baroque attacks]

911hope said:

g4ry13 said:

Add to that list that he also tried to withdraw the US from the highly ineffective World Health Organization (WHO).

They really had to be seen to do something with the bump stock after the mass shooting in Vegas.

So massive shootings have stopped in the US?

No?

Then perhaps they have reduced?

No?

Gary is one of the Covid bunch, which explains shoehorning the evil WHO into discussion.

Bump stocks are just a distraction given the US has around 2 mass shootings a day on average. Per capita more fatal stabbing than the UK too!

[dvs_dave]

off_again said:

unrepentant said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Incredible that despite all that, he is still polling neck and neck or even ahead of the other guy.

Funny thing about polls, they're often badly wrong. And like I said, the campaign has 4 months to go and that's an age in American politics.

Not sure about European news outlets - but here, the polls had Le Pen winning the French election but got it totally wrong. Surely, after all of this time, we would have realized that polls have a major issue with accuracy today and in the past. Not saying that all of them are incorrect, but figuring out which one are accurate and which ones arent is a challenge.

Personally I have a major issue believing any poll at the moment.

Polls these days all seem either obviously partisan, or cleverly disguised clickbait. I think this is why they continue to not reflect reality as it’s just not in their interest to.