45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
g4ry13 said:
I was having a skim on Wiki and it claims there was some contention about it which resulted in a variety of opinions.
If you wish to have a read, here's a link to a 53 page document discussing it.
I’ll go with the first sentence of the 14th AmendmentIf you wish to have a read, here's a link to a 53 page document discussing it.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-...
LF5335 said:
g4ry13 said:
I was having a skim on Wiki and it claims there was some contention about it which resulted in a variety of opinions.
If you wish to have a read, here's a link to a 53 page document discussing it.
I’ll go with the first sentence of the 14th AmendmentIf you wish to have a read, here's a link to a 53 page document discussing it.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-...
The Fourteenth Amendment does not address the issue of presidential eligibility or use the phrase natural-born citizen.
It's not so binary and has resulted in much debate over the years from far more learned people than you and I. It's also not on topic with Don so i'll leave it at that
g4ry13 said:
Article Two, Section 1 of the Constitution.
The Fourteenth Amendment does not address the issue of presidential eligibility or use the phrase natural-born citizen.
It's not so binary and has resulted in much debate over the years from far more learned people than you and I. It's also not on topic with Don so i'll leave it at that
It’s a claim that Trump is making though so should be valid to discuss a little bit. It’s more nonsense that he’s spouting to whip up his racist base. This is how the whole mess started with him claiming it about ObamaThe Fourteenth Amendment does not address the issue of presidential eligibility or use the phrase natural-born citizen.
It's not so binary and has resulted in much debate over the years from far more learned people than you and I. It's also not on topic with Don so i'll leave it at that
g4ry13 said:
LF5335 said:
Strangely Brown said:
Byker28i said:
Here we go with Birthism for Kamala Harris
I thought being born is the US was all that was required. I was not aware that your parents had to be US citizens too. One or both?
t to pass away the hours and insult someone else. LF5335 said:
g4ry13 said:
Article Two, Section 1 of the Constitution.
The Fourteenth Amendment does not address the issue of presidential eligibility or use the phrase natural-born citizen.
It's not so binary and has resulted in much debate over the years from far more learned people than you and I. It's also not on topic with Don so i'll leave it at that
It’s a claim that Trump is making though so should be valid to discuss a little bit. It’s more nonsense that he’s spouting to whip up his racist base. This is how the whole mess started with him claiming it about ObamaThe Fourteenth Amendment does not address the issue of presidential eligibility or use the phrase natural-born citizen.
It's not so binary and has resulted in much debate over the years from far more learned people than you and I. It's also not on topic with Don so i'll leave it at that
I don't want to breach rule #9 and lose my access to another thread.
g4ry13 said:
Fair enough. I know we had a talking to the other day about staying on topic.
I don't want to breach rule #9 and lose my access to another thread.
My personal thought is that now we are heading to an election then it's obvious for comparisons to be made, discuss comments made by candidates, especially trump about Biden/Harris etc. If it's birthism against Harris - thats started now because team trump thought Biden would drop out and leave it open for Harris - hence the sudden ramping up on attacks on her.I don't want to breach rule #9 and lose my access to another thread.
Kinky's been quite fair - other mods are available and may not be as such
Another day another new book on trump "The Longest Con: How Grifters, Swindlers, and Frauds Hijacked American Conservatism," by Joe Conason on how trump swindled his faithful out of $250m to fight the election fraud, that never happened.
"And, of course, the money didn't go to that, but they pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars in two months after the election, and it was going — it ended up in a super PAC that he controls and that he can spend on anything, including, of course, his legal defense, not election defense, his legal defense, his personal legal defense."
"And, of course, the money didn't go to that, but they pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars in two months after the election, and it was going — it ended up in a super PAC that he controls and that he can spend on anything, including, of course, his legal defense, not election defense, his legal defense, his personal legal defense."
Byker28i said:
g4ry13 said:
Fair enough. I know we had a talking to the other day about staying on topic.
I don't want to breach rule #9 and lose my access to another thread.
My personal thought is that now we are heading to an election then it's obvious for comparisons to be made, discuss comments made by candidates, especially trump about Biden/Harris etc. If it's birthism against Harris - thats started now because team trump thought Biden would drop out and leave it open for Harris - hence the sudden ramping up on attacks on her.I don't want to breach rule #9 and lose my access to another thread.
Kinky's been quite fair - other mods are available and may not be as such
thatsprettyshady said:
The absolute best thing for trump right now if for Biden to run, as he’s cooked and it’s eating the Dems from inside out - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Unlike your deity who's actually a convicted felon... seems you're also needing to project trumps problemsStill since you posted that, Bidens reply to that is
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 8th July 15:19
Byker28i said:
Bidens crooked? Best you get immediately over to Comer and Jordon because they've been trying to manufacture something for over a year without any sucess.
Unlike your deity who's actually a convicted felon... seems you're also needing to project trumps problems
I said “cooked”, as in more and more Democrats and even previously friendly MSM are turning on him publicly. Unlike your deity who's actually a convicted felon... seems you're also needing to project trumps problems
Edit - I see since I replied, you edited your reply.
Biden called into Morning Joe as well, saying he's running and will beat trump
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
Byker28i said:
Biden called into Morning Joe as well, saying he's running and will beat trump
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
Good news for Trump? https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
Byker28i said:
thatsprettyshady said:
The absolute best thing for trump right now if for Biden to run, as he’s cooked and it’s eating the Dems from inside out - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Unlike your deity who's actually a convicted felon... seems you're also needing to project trumps problemsStill since you posted that, Bidens reply to that is
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 8th July 15:19
thatsprettyshady said:
I wonder if that will be good enough to silence the Dem critics, or if it becomes open warfare between them just 4 months before an election.
Not many dem critics now... and of course you want him to drop out - he beat trump before 
But then Biden wasn't repeatedly in Epsteins flight logs that were recently released, isn't a convicted felon, hasn't been found liable for sexual abuse, rape... isn't facing multiple cases that are being stalled for him...
There's 5 Dems calling for Biden to quit. The House has 435 members & 100 in the Senate Five put of 535? Do we even know who these are?
So no hardly anything now like you claim.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 8th July 15:43
Byker28i said:
thatsprettyshady said:
I wonder if that will be good enough to silence the Dem critics, or if it becomes open warfare between them just 4 months before an election.
Not many dem critics now... and of course you want him to drop out - he beat trump before But then Biden wasn't repeatedly in Epsteins flight logs that were recently released, isn't a convicted felon, hasn't been found liable for sexual abuse, rape... isn't facing multiple cases that are being stalled for him...
There's 5 Dems calling for Biden to quit. The House has 435 members & 100 in the Senate Five put of 535? Do we even know who these are?
So no hardly anything now like you claim.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 8th July 15:43
Even Stephen king (I know this thread likes to use celebrity sources) has dumped him - https://x.com/stephenking/status/18102766843455737...
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