Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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hstewie said:
A "plant-science" student from the University of Manchester who's also been arrested for Just Stop Oil this month.hstewie said:
Mr Penguin said:
2HFL said:
Just a thought, why don’t they ban gambling companies from offering odds on events which are open to insider info, potentially corrupt or illegal activity?
Because all events at risk of insider betting.
S600BSB said:
Mr Penguin said:
S600BSB said:
How could a prospective Labour MP have got the nod about 4 July when most of the cabinet were in the dark? Curious!
He didn'tSuspended Labour candidate bet on himself losing seat, BBC understands
https://www.ft.com/content/67c73794-b3dc-4285-8a3a...
Eddie I think you'd have to admit that right now it's an isolated event v event number 4271 or whatever we're up to by now.
If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care.
But don't try to pretend there's a similar issue with Labour as there is the Conservatives right now.
If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care.
But don't try to pretend there's a similar issue with Labour as there is the Conservatives right now.
bhstewie said:
Young people, they are so entitled and disengaged, they should become interested in politics and show a bit of passion, a bit of initiative, a bit of character...hstewie said:Whoa....
Not THOSE politics, not THAT type of engagement, not THAT kind of interest or initiative!!!
EddieSteadyGo said:
S600BSB said:
Mr Penguin said:
S600BSB said:
How could a prospective Labour MP have got the nod about 4 July when most of the cabinet were in the dark? Curious!
He didn'tSuspended Labour candidate bet on himself losing seat, BBC understands
https://www.ft.com/content/67c73794-b3dc-4285-8a3a...
SD.
https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/18056418803040...
Mr Penguin said:
2HFL said:
Just a thought, why don’t they ban gambling companies from offering odds on events which are open to insider info, potentially corrupt or illegal activity?
Because all events at risk of insider betting.biggbn said:
bhstewie said:
Young people, they are so entitled and disengaged, they should become interested in politics and show a bit of passion, a bit of initiative, a bit of character...hstewie said:Whoa....
Not THOSE politics, not THAT type of engagement, not THAT kind of interest or initiative!!!
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Eddie I think you'd have to admit that right now it's an isolated event v event number 4271 or whatever we're up to by now.
If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care.
But don't try to pretend there's a similar issue with Labour as there is the Conservatives right now.
I was waiting for one of the 'useful suspects' to dismiss it as 'nothing to see here'. If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care.
But don't try to pretend there's a similar issue with Labour as there is the Conservatives right now.
My point is many people have a tendency to do stupid things. Conservative MPs using inside information to bet on the result was stupid. As was the Met police officers who seem to have used the same information to do the same thing. As was this prospective MP betting on himself to lose (and looking at the betting market for that seat, it seems up to that point it was a close race).
It's also tempting to group people together, to use a relatively small number of examples to create a narrative about how the whole "group" behave. In my view, it shouldn't work like that. So, on the basis that people often do stupid things, I predict within a few months, we will be getting a regular flow of stories of improper/reckless/stupid/illegal/immoral behaviour from Labour MPs, once they are in government, and the scrutiny increases.
But in the same way, that won't mean all Labour MPs are "rotten" etc either. But I will look forward to reading the moral outrage on those future threads from all the people here who are holier-than-thou.
2HFL said:
So just ban gambling full stop then, surely people could live without it…
The wrong conclusion. We have laws and rules around gambling. Break the rules, you take the consequences. We don't need to start banning activities for everyone just because some people don't use good judgement.EddieSteadyGo said:
I was waiting for one of the 'useful suspects' to dismiss it as 'nothing to see here'.
My point is many people have a tendency to do stupid things. Conservative MPs using inside information to bet on the result was stupid. As was the Met police officers who seem to have used the same information to do the same thing. As was this prospective MP betting on himself to lose (and looking at the betting market for that seat, it seems up to that point it was a close race).
It's also tempting to group people together, to use a relatively small number of examples to create a narrative about how the whole "group" behave. In my view, it shouldn't work like that. So, on the basis that people often do stupid things, I predict within a few months, we will be getting a regular flow of stories of improper/reckless/stupid/illegal/immoral behaviour from Labour MPs, once they are in government, and the scrutiny increases.
But in the same way, that won't mean all Labour MPs are "rotten" etc either. But I will look forward to reading the moral outrage on those future threads from all the people here who are holier-than-thou.
I haven't said "nothing to see here" Eddie I said that if true it's crooked and very possibly illegal and the book should be thrown at him which is quite the opposite of "nothing to see here".My point is many people have a tendency to do stupid things. Conservative MPs using inside information to bet on the result was stupid. As was the Met police officers who seem to have used the same information to do the same thing. As was this prospective MP betting on himself to lose (and looking at the betting market for that seat, it seems up to that point it was a close race).
It's also tempting to group people together, to use a relatively small number of examples to create a narrative about how the whole "group" behave. In my view, it shouldn't work like that. So, on the basis that people often do stupid things, I predict within a few months, we will be getting a regular flow of stories of improper/reckless/stupid/illegal/immoral behaviour from Labour MPs, once they are in government, and the scrutiny increases.
But in the same way, that won't mean all Labour MPs are "rotten" etc either. But I will look forward to reading the moral outrage on those future threads from all the people here who are holier-than-thou.
You said if it was a Conservative it would be another example of "Tory sleaze".
Well yes it would because this past five years there's been enough examples of it for the cap to fit.
EddieSteadyGo said:
I was waiting for one of the 'useful suspects' to dismiss it as 'nothing to see here'.
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What?.
The guy is a prize turnip who has deservedly been given his marching orders and it looks like his donation will be returned.
Issue came about today and has been dealt with today. Job done.
Now, remind me again how long it took Rishi to act…
shed driver said:
Reports that the Labour Party will return up to £100,000 of donations from Kevin Craig. Obviously small change when compared to Frank Hester, but it shows decisiveness from Mr Flip-Flop.
SD.
https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/18056418803040...
Indeed. Immediate response from Sir Keir. Expect nothing less tbh. SD.
https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/18056418803040...
Mortarboard said:
Who's taking bets on how many will get caught making bets?
Asking for a (soon to be ex-) mp....
M.
As I understand it we are still within the mandatory five years that Gambling Commission requires bookmakers to keep records of punter activity since the 2019 General Election , so if they were of a mind to have a look at one as well there might be a whole new can of really big worms to be opened.Asking for a (soon to be ex-) mp....
M.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I haven't said "nothing to see here" Eddie if true it's crooked and very possibly illegal and the book should be thrown at him which is quite the opposite of "nothing to see here".
You said if it was a Conservative it would be another example of "Tory sleaze".
Well yes it would because this past five years there's been enough examples of it for the cap to fit.
You have completely misunderstood what I was saying.You said if it was a Conservative it would be another example of "Tory sleaze".
Well yes it would because this past five years there's been enough examples of it for the cap to fit.
I was talking about the tendency to find examples to create a narrative about 'group' behaviours, rather than dealing with people as individuals and holding them to account for their individual stupidity.
Whilst you were happy to throw the book at this most recent individual, you were also keen to assume it was an isolated event, so it didn't disrupt the narrative that it's the Tories who can be defined as reckless/immoral etc.
As I was saying, many people have a tendency to do stupid things. Mostly no-one ever discovers those things - they remain secret or hidden. But as scrutiny increases, so more get uncovered. Hence why I am confident in a few months we will see a regular flow of similarly immoral/improper behaviour from Labour MPs. But that won't mean all Labour MPs are the same.
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