46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
paulguitar said:
I think to be fair, trump's issues are more the kind of thing Mrs (Dr) Guitar deals with, ie personality disorders, and mental illnesses. Having said that, trump does seem to exhibit some signs of dementia as well.
I do recall a 25th ammendment being mooted for a certain djt...https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawmakers-call-tru...
M.
LF5335 said:
Ditto, as he completely avoided giving his expert opinion. That says a lot about him and his medical diagnoses.
What does it say other than he may not have seen your post?LF5335 said:
I was hoping the self-proclaimed medical expert would give a balanced diagnosis for both sides. Seems not though. Wonder why. Not.
and after reading your child like follow up, I would be surprised if you get a response.hidetheelephants said:
It is possible to replace him but not simple and unless he volunteers it's practically impossible without messy legal action. An open convention invites comparison to Chicago 1968, which most democrats would rather not have a repeat of.
Yes I get it needs him to step aside. An open convention could be messy but before 68 i think they were all open.Mind you it's risky but so is keeping biden.
How unusual was it to have a president debate this early in the process? Some of the rumours doing the rounds, is that the Dems agreed to it, knowing Biden would look bad, which would give them a reason to make him step aside. And still have time to pick a new candidate.
I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
Earthdweller said:
The most disturbing thing to me is the footage of Jill Biden at the after event rally congratulating her husband and talking to him like he was a toddler while he just stood there
It struck me as almost elder abuse and leaves me with the thought that it’s about her and not his best interests
Her desire to be the First Lady overriding what is in her husbands best interests
Was weird.It struck me as almost elder abuse and leaves me with the thought that it’s about her and not his best interests
Her desire to be the First Lady overriding what is in her husbands best interests
"Joe you did such a great job you answered every question. You knew all the facts"
J6542 said:
How unusual was it to have a president debate this early in the process? Some of the rumours doing the rounds, is that the Dems agreed to it, knowing Biden would look bad, which would give them a reason to make him step aside. And still have time to pick a new candidate.
I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
I think agreed to ensure trump's legal issues remained at the front of people's minds. Didn't really work though. I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
J6542 said:
How unusual was it to have a president debate this early in the process? Some of the rumours doing the rounds, is that the Dems agreed to it, knowing Biden would look bad, which would give them a reason to make him step aside. And still have time to pick a new candidate.
I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
I think it was earlier than normal. And the Democrats tried every method to tilt the debate in their favour, by insisting it had to be moderated by CNN, with no audience, with muted mics etc. Basically they were not interested in following the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) ground rules. I think that they must replace him but no idea who with.
If Biden had somehow scrapped through, they would be fine, as they could probably find a reason to pull out of the second debate. But as you say, if it went badly (or very badly, as actually happened) they have time to find a different candidate.
It would be interesting to see the polling data they are collecting internally. Whilst I have been saying for months I don't expect Biden to be on the ballet paper, if I were a Democrat member, it's not an easy decision. Many voters know Biden isn't the actual person in charge, and there is a team behind him pulling the strings, rather like Reagan towards the end. And I think it is possible to argue that the team is doing 'ok' in terms of many of the policies they are implementing. So from that perspective, why not try and keep it going? And if they pick a new candidate, there is lots of time for a skeleton to fall out of the closet. At least with Biden, you have a proven record, and for better or worse, you know what you are going to get.
g3org3y said:
Earthdweller said:
The most disturbing thing to me is the footage of Jill Biden at the after event rally congratulating her husband and talking to him like he was a toddler while he just stood there
It struck me as almost elder abuse and leaves me with the thought that it’s about her and not his best interests
Her desire to be the First Lady overriding what is in her husbands best interests
Was weird.It struck me as almost elder abuse and leaves me with the thought that it’s about her and not his best interests
Her desire to be the First Lady overriding what is in her husbands best interests
"Joe you did such a great job you answered every question. You knew all the facts"
LF5335 said:
Excellent. Can we have your spot diagnosis on Trump please. Feel free to use his shark vs electric boat rants for any research
LFI do not have a "spot" diagnosis for Trump because he doesn't have anything that I can see that would suggest one. Sorry.
A reasonably good medical student would be suggesting that JB has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism simply by looking at him.
It is likely that his cognitive impairment (and it's variability) is 2ndry to the above condition and/or it's treatment
and I am not an expert
pneumothorax said:
LF
I do not have a "spot" diagnosis for Trump because he doesn't have anything that I can see that would suggest one. Sorry.
A reasonably good medical student would be suggesting that JB has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism simply by looking at him.
It is likely that his cognitive impairment (and it's variability) is 2ndry to the above condition and/or it's treatment
and I am not an expert
So you can spot diagnose Biden based on the debate, but there’s not enough available for Trump? That’s what makes your reply and bias so clear. Trump is doing rallies on a regular basis, but there’s nothing that makes you wonder about him? Let dragging, random waffles, repeated nonsense about electric boats or planes, regularly slurring his words and so onI do not have a "spot" diagnosis for Trump because he doesn't have anything that I can see that would suggest one. Sorry.
A reasonably good medical student would be suggesting that JB has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism simply by looking at him.
It is likely that his cognitive impairment (and it's variability) is 2ndry to the above condition and/or it's treatment
and I am not an expert
You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality.
But you do you.
TonyToniTone said:
LF5335 said:
Ditto, as he completely avoided giving his expert opinion. That says a lot about him and his medical diagnoses.
What does it say other than he may not have seen your post?LF5335 said:
I was hoping the self-proclaimed medical expert would give a balanced diagnosis for both sides. Seems not though. Wonder why. Not.
and after reading your child like follow up, I would be surprised if you get a response.Seems to be doing the job just fine.
Keeping the gop in check, managing executive orders, lowering the price of meds, certainly managing foreign policy. Infrastructure plan, managing the civid recovery between inflation and jobs.
Sure, it's not 100% him, but it's hard to find somewhere that he's put a foot wrong.
M.
Keeping the gop in check, managing executive orders, lowering the price of meds, certainly managing foreign policy. Infrastructure plan, managing the civid recovery between inflation and jobs.
Sure, it's not 100% him, but it's hard to find somewhere that he's put a foot wrong.
M.
Does one debate, and the hyperbole of their sycophants move the dial?
Hardly.
The other side of the coin can't be handwoven away.
The gop would literally walk it with anyone else.
Onevthings for sure, the USA electorate will never tolerate candidates of this dregs level ever again.
Whether we get the opportunity to, we'll have to see.
M.
Hardly.
The other side of the coin can't be handwoven away.
The gop would literally walk it with anyone else.
Onevthings for sure, the USA electorate will never tolerate candidates of this dregs level ever again.
Whether we get the opportunity to, we'll have to see.
M.
LF
re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
re "You’re not an expert but you can do instant diagnoses of major illnesses with absolute certainty. Wow. You must be awesome in your chosen speciality"
Sorry but I am sure we are crossing wires here. I am apolitical and simply came here to post something that I know something about, it's how forums work and it is why they are useful imo.
I am also not "absolutely" certain that JB's primary problem is Parkinson's but I would say it is very likely based upon my experience in diagnosing and managing the condition. I am also not an "expert" in anything apart from telling people that there is nothing wrong with them (I am an ooh/urgent care GP)
My suspicion that he has Parkinson's/Parkinsonism ( there is a distinction) is not based upon what I saw last night however, I have thought it from when I first saw him walking around after becoming President, his gait is almost pathognomonic. He has a very obvious "Festinating" way of walking.
Google it.
My (really speculative) take on this is that Mrs JB loves him, he was a formidable man and now he isn't. He has effectively an untreatable neuro-degenerative disorder, it's likely called Parkinson's and she is surrounding herself by medics that are concentrating on throwing several expensive kitchen sinks at the treatment of that disorder. They are hoping that the Parkinson's meds are going to help with his cognitive decline.
They will not, the chap's brain is failing. He needs sympathetic medical care. What he does not need is to be flying around the states, being pumped up with meds and being ridiculed all over the world.
I suspect Trump also has underlying issues but it would be really really speculative of me to suggest what they might be.
What do you think is wrong with him?
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