46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
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Just hope for an open Democratic primary and jettison Biden. Trump is in for the GOP in my view. Faint hope of someone else for the Dems. Trump is leading in the swing states where the election will be decided. No idea of an alternative. Gretchen Whitmer maybe?....
Maybe a complete amateur.
I would run myself but am not American
. Otherwise could not be worse than Joe.
Maybe a complete amateur.
I would run myself but am not American
. Otherwise could not be worse than Joe.interstellar said:
If you havent got your health, you cant really do much in life.
Biden's age is showing sadly. I hope he steps aside for his sake and they find someone who can beat Trump.
I think its likely Trump will get back in otherwise.
Biden should be sitting on a porch somewhere sipping iced tea in the sun. He's done his time. I think he probably is a decent guy, but time to hang up them spurs, Joe. Biden's age is showing sadly. I hope he steps aside for his sake and they find someone who can beat Trump.
I think its likely Trump will get back in otherwise.
Durzel said:
moffspeed said:
Excruciating to watch.
A conman lying with panache and conviction spewing out his greatest hits with no real challenge from the moderators. In the other corner a frail decent man who was truthing in hesitant and not very convincing fashion.
Who knows where things go from here - but there can now be very few Americans believing that Biden could be an effective 86 year old Commander-in-Chief.
Broadly my take.A conman lying with panache and conviction spewing out his greatest hits with no real challenge from the moderators. In the other corner a frail decent man who was truthing in hesitant and not very convincing fashion.
Who knows where things go from here - but there can now be very few Americans believing that Biden could be an effective 86 year old Commander-in-Chief.
I would say though that typically moderators don't get involved to the extent that would have been necessary here. A failure of the format perhaps, but I don't think CNN were consciously seeking to let him lie, they just weren't equipped and the format doesn't really allow for breaking the flow to do constant fact checking.
paulguitar said:
Roderick Spode said:
paulguitar said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
It's equally hilarious, and horrific.
It's not hilarious.Do you endorse Joe's stance on prolonging the genocide in Palistine with constant supply of weapons, the constant supply of weapons to Ukraine prolonging the war instead of encouraging an end to the conflict and the ignoring of China's evergrowing stance towards invading Taiwan?
We won't have to worry about your abortion views etc if this continues to unravel out of control with an embarrassingly weak senile old man continuing as President.
Why do you think Putin effectively endorsed Biden? He views him as a walkover and of no concern whatsoever.
thatsprettyshady said:
I see this every so often in these thread stating as factual that if Trump gets in he’s going to:
- end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc
It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.
I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.
At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.
According to the chicken lickens on here the sky is going to fall ( same as in 2016), I'm sure some sort of malleable, metallic sheeting that can be fashioned into some sort of shield should provide the requisite protection. - end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc
It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.
I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.
At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.
vetrof said:
According to the chicken lickens on here the sky is going to fall ( same as in 2016), I'm sure some sort of malleable, metallic sheeting that can be fashioned into some sort of shield should provide the requisite protection.
trumps presidency was a series of scandals. It started literally on the first day with the painfully embarrassing crowd-size stuff and ended with an attack on the nation's capital. Edited by paulguitar on Friday 28th June 14:17
I don't think I can stand 4 years of hearing about Trump and his f
kery again, it was bad enough the first time round. Let alone the fact that I agree with others here that it will be the end of democracy and trustworthy, honest elections in the US.
I would actually be relieved to hear Trump had been taken off the board somehow; the world will be a better place without him (and his vile family) in it.
kery again, it was bad enough the first time round. Let alone the fact that I agree with others here that it will be the end of democracy and trustworthy, honest elections in the US.I would actually be relieved to hear Trump had been taken off the board somehow; the world will be a better place without him (and his vile family) in it.
Wheelspinning said:
Do you endorse Joe's stance on prolonging the genocide in Palistine with constant supply of weapons, the constant supply of weapons to Ukraine prolonging the war instead of encouraging an end to the conflict and the ignoring of China's evergrowing stance towards invading Taiwan?
I don't see it the same way, particularly with regard to Ukraine. What would have happened to Ukraine if trump was president? Part of Russia by now.Wheelspinning said:
We won't have to worry about your abortion views etc if this continues to unravel out of control with an embarrassingly weak senile old man continuing as President.
I don't understand what you are trying to say.Wheelspinning said:
Why do you think Putin effectively endorsed Biden? He views him as a walkover and of no concern whatsoever.
trump is beholden to Putin, so this makes no sense.We are all Brexiteers now said:
Jeanboi said:
So many of his aides, staff, apologists and defenders have been too prepared to delude themselves and to try to gaslight others into thinking that Joe Biden is just fine and that any criticism is either CT stuff or to be written off as support for Trump.
Don't hold your breath waiting for any contrition from the Biden cultists here.
JB had a huge opportunity to dispel/lessen the "tired old man" image, and completely fluffed it.
But it won't change either dem or rep voters, will it?
Last night's debate was an opportunity for both candidates to try and win floating voters, and neither did.
M.
Mortarboard said:
JB had a huge opportunity to dispel/lessen the "tired old man" image, and completely fluffed it.
But it won't change either dem or rep voters, will it?
Last night's debate was an opportunity for both candidates to try and win floating voters, and neither did.
M.
You make it sound like Joe's performance was a miscalculation, or an unwise strategy.
He's "fluffed it" by completely shattering the cheapfake/stutter/etc narrative. It's been painfully obvious for some time now, but even the self-deluded cannot delude themselves any longer. His supporters can't deny it, his team can't deny it, the media can't deny it.They may not have won any floating voters last night. Joe's definitely lost them though. Hence the panic
If Biden stays, Trump wins.
paulguitar said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
It's equally hilarious, and horrific.
It's not hilarious.I feel bad for the guy as he's mentally gone, however people like you who defended him. It was like saying day was night and night was day, as it was that obvious to all of us. I'm not surprised at all about the state of his delivery last night, I actually thought it would of gone a lot worse for him.
amusingduck said:
"fluffed it"
You make it sound like Joe's performance was a miscalculation, or an unwise strategy. He's "fluffed it" by completely shattering the cheapfake/stutter/etc narrative. It's been painfully obvious for some time now, but even the self-deluded cannot delude themselves any longer. His supporters can't deny it, his team can't deny it, the media can't deny it.
They may not have won any floating voters last night. Joe's definitely lost them though. Hence the panic
If Biden stays, Trump wins.
There's been no Denying that biden's old. That doesn't mean he's unfit for the role.You make it sound like Joe's performance was a miscalculation, or an unwise strategy.
He's "fluffed it" by completely shattering the cheapfake/stutter/etc narrative. It's been painfully obvious for some time now, but even the self-deluded cannot delude themselves any longer. His supporters can't deny it, his team can't deny it, the media can't deny it.They may not have won any floating voters last night. Joe's definitely lost them though. Hence the panic
If Biden stays, Trump wins.
Nor does it "justify" the faked/Edited videos.
Trump is a long, long way from winning. The GOP thinking they have it in the bag at this stage would be a re-run of "the great red wave" of 2022.
M.
Four Litre said:
I actually find it hilarious now. After months and months of people like you defending Biden, trying to gaslight everyone by saying he was in tip top condition, when the majority could see he's in severe mental decline and probably struggles to tie his own shoelaces.
I feel bad for the guy as he's mentally gone, however people like you who defended him. It was like saying day was night and night was day, as it was that obvious to all of us. I'm not surprised at all about the state of his delivery last night, I actually thought it would of gone a lot worse for him.
Hey, just saw you have a 981S manual as well, good choice.I feel bad for the guy as he's mentally gone, however people like you who defended him. It was like saying day was night and night was day, as it was that obvious to all of us. I'm not surprised at all about the state of his delivery last night, I actually thought it would of gone a lot worse for him.
As Obama said, 'We have more in common than we have differences'
Four Litre said:
I actually find it hilarious now. After months and months of people like you defending Biden, trying to gaslight everyone by saying he was in tip top condition, when the majority could see he's in severe mental decline and probably struggles to tie his own shoelaces.
Find anything of that nature and quote it; we'll wait.hidetheelephants said:
Four Litre said:
I actually find it hilarious now. After months and months of people like you defending Biden, trying to gaslight everyone by saying he was in tip top condition, when the majority could see he's in severe mental decline and probably struggles to tie his own shoelaces.
Find anything of that nature and quote it; we'll wait.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff