46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[amusingduck]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I have to be blunt. It was OBVIOUS to anyone who looked at the facts Biden was not well enough to stand. The decision to switch to a different candidate should have been made MONTHS ago. All those who turned a blind eye to these facts are responsible for Trump now being in poll position. As I said previously, this should be a stinging irony.

Nail. Head.

Is the gaslighting on this thread over? Probably not

[TonyToniTone]

LF5335 said:

Except I’m not. I have said continuously on the other thread that I am worried Trump will get back in. I’ve continuously said that Biden is past it and that they should really put someone else in, but that I also understood why they haven’t. Wasting a younger candidate beating Trump means they lose a term to dealing with the man-child and his bhing again.

You keep “not supporting” Trump though.

A challenge that I’ve asked anyone showing support for Trump over and over and never ever gets answered is why? Why do you support Trump? I know why nobody ever answers it though.

I hope Trump loses and loses badly - but you have just proved my point.

[768]

LF5335 said:

Wasting a younger candidate beating Trump means they lose a term to dealing with the man-child and his bhing again.

So better to let Trump have the Presidency and keep the Democrat stars on ice?

[jshell]

amusingduck said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I have to be blunt. It was OBVIOUS to anyone who looked at the facts Biden was not well enough to stand. The decision to switch to a different candidate should have been made MONTHS ago. All those who turned a blind eye to these facts are responsible for Trump now being in poll position. As I said previously, this should be a stinging irony.

Nail. Head.

Is the gaslighting on this thread over? Probably not

The bigger question is: who has been in control all this time? It certainly has not been Biden. The smart money is on Obama making the decisions, but it could be a number of people behind the scenes.

[p1stonhead]

Hippea said:

TonyToniTone said:

It is alarming but what can be done with 18 weeks left?

Nothing, it’s been handed to Trump

Will anyone actually switch?

I’d say most democrats at this point you could hold a gun to their head and they still wouldn’t vote for trump

[F1GTRUeno]

If they replaced Biden now they'd look even weaker for deciding based on one debate.

They SHOULD have put someone else up for election but it's too late now.

[vaud]

EddieSteadyGo said:

paulguitar said:

I'm open to the Democrats, and the country, doing anything they have to do, up to and including choosing another candidate if necessary. If the US allows trump back in, it is truly over. The fact that he can be allowed to run, having previously attempted to end the democratic process, is surreal, but this is really happening.

I have to be blunt. It was OBVIOUS to anyone who looked at the facts Biden was not well enough to stand. The decision to switch to a different candidate should have been made MONTHS ago. All those who turned a blind eye to these facts are responsible for Trump now being in poll position. As I said previously, this should be a stinging irony.

Switching to a different candidate at this late stage is problematic, and risky, but it has to be done. Biden isn't going to get any better. The only question is how much worse his cognitive declines becomes now and November.

What is more shocking for me is that BOTH candidates are appalling choices. Where are the energetic, positive, "hope" candidates - from either party? Where are the visionaries?

[paulguitar]

thatsprettyshady said:

paulguitar said:

BigMon said:

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

It's alarming. Anyone who is not concerned about the possibility of 'trump 2; the revenge' presumably doesn't understand the situation.

I see this every so often in these thread stating as factual that if Trump gets in he’s going to:

- end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc

It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.

I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.

At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.

Are you aware of the enormity of the seriousness of trump's legal situation? He's going to be tried for attempting to steal the 2020 election and stealing (and possibly selling) state secrets. It's about as big as it gets.

He's run as it's his only option to avoid prison. His stated aim to be a 'dictator on day one' does not bode very well for the days that follow...

'Project 25' explains some of what is on the cards, have a look:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

[Bonefish Blues]

F1GTRUeno said:

If they replaced Biden now they'd look even weaker for deciding based on one debate.

They SHOULD have put someone else up for election but it's too late now.

They couldn't bump the incumbent against his wishes, that was the problem. They know they have sure-fire winners amongst their ranks. Same Q for the GOP, of course

[LF5335]

768 said:

LF5335 said:

Wasting a younger candidate beating Trump means they lose a term to dealing with the man-child and his bhing again.

So better to let Trump have the Presidency and keep the Democrat stars on ice?

The point was based on what’s happened so far up until tonight. Biden had the upper hand all the way through. Last night has dented him badly. Trump will be sentenced for some crimes in a fortnight. That will change things again.

Trump could win, because he’s on the ballot and it’s always going to be 50/50 on that basis. The same applies to Biden. He isn’t as divisive a character. The whole election boils down to two types of voters, swing and stay aways. Plenty of Republicans will stay at home and not vote for Trump, the same may apply to Biden. Swing voters who can say, Trump has plenty of abhorrent personality traits, policies and plans which are hard for many to swing towards.

None of that logic matters in here though and I get that. I’d just like someone to explain why.

[thatsprettyshady]

paulguitar said:

thatsprettyshady said:

paulguitar said:

BigMon said:

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

It's alarming. Anyone who is not concerned about the possibility of 'trump 2; the revenge' presumably doesn't understand the situation.

I see this every so often in these thread stating as factual that if Trump gets in he’s going to:

- end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc

It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.

I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.

At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.

Are you aware of the enormity of the seriousness of trump's legal situation? He's going to be tried for attempting to steal the 2020 election and stealing (and possibly selling) state secrets. It's about as big as it gets.

He's run as it's his only option to avoid prison. His stated aim to be a 'dictator on day one' does not bode very well for the days that follow...

'Project 25' explains some of what is on the cards, have a look:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

We did this last week, Project 2025 is nothing to do with Trump, it’s a plan from a conservative think tank. Trump’s campaign hasn’t adopted any of it, they have their own called “Agenda47”.

Try again.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 28th June 09:37

[Jockman]

LF5335 said:

None of that logic matters in here though and I get that. I’d just like someone to explain why.

To many Americans Trump is the ultimate Protest vote.

[Wacky Racer]

It's sad, so sad
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd

[Scrimpton]

768 said:

So better to let Trump have the Presidency and keep the Democrat stars on ice?

For what? There won't be an election if Trump gets in apparently. I assume all the Democrats will be in camps making themselves free through work while Trump proclaims himself King of Scotland or something.

[The Rotrex Kid]

Old man stumbles like old man and liar lies. There's your debate wrap up

Honestly don't know what people were expecting. Trump waffled on about Golf and Biden murdering 9 month old babies in the womb, Biden stumbled over his words and flapped about a bit. It was a flat 'debate' as it was ever going to be with the format.

My money is still on the dems (Willing to take a £20 bet if anyone wants a go ) as I really do the think the 'cult' of Trump has dropped off significantly since 2020.

[BigMon]

thatsprettyshady said:

We did this last week, Project 2025 is nothing to do with Trump, it’s a plan from a conservative think tank. Trump’s campaign hasn’t adopted any of it, they have their own called “Agenda47”.

Try again.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 28th June 09:37

What are your thoughts on Trump's part in the attempted insurrection on Capitol Hill?

[paulguitar]

thatsprettyshady said:

We did this last week, Project 2025 is nothing to do with Trump, it’s a plan from a conservative think tank. Trump’s campaign hasn’t adopted any of it, they have their own called “Agenda47”.

Try again.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 28th June 09:37

Have a look at who is involved.

[Drew106]

thatsprettyshady said:

paulguitar said:

BigMon said:

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

It's alarming. Anyone who is not concerned about the possibility of 'trump 2; the revenge' presumably doesn't understand the situation.

I see this every so often in these thread stating as factual that if Trump gets in he’s going to:

- end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc

It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.

I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.

At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.

Did he not rile up a load of eejits into a ridiculous coup attempt? Sort of like the idiots day of reckoning. An Idiocracy dystopian nightmare. Hilarious (or frightening) how that movie doesn't seem too far fetched now

That seems a legitimate threat to democracy to me.

[thatsprettyshady]

BigMon said:

thatsprettyshady said:

We did this last week, Project 2025 is nothing to do with Trump, it’s a plan from a conservative think tank. Trump’s campaign hasn’t adopted any of it, they have their own called “Agenda47”.

Try again.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 28th June 09:37

What are your thoughts on Trump's part in the attempted insurrection on Capitol Hill?

It was a riot that got out of hand, there's no excuse for it and a dark day for the USA - but I wasn't an organised attempt by Trump to overthrow the government or end democracy, beyond a few idiots being idiots - I'm not sure how people thought marching on the Capitol whilst tooled up was going to end for them.

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Friday 28th June 10:11

[stuckmojo]

Bonefish Blues said:

They couldn't bump the incumbent against his wishes, that was the problem. They know they have sure-fire winners amongst their ranks. Same Q for the GOP, of course

Who?

I am serious. Who are the Democrat stars?

GOP has a few, like DeSantis, Vivek, and some more.

I am not following the Democrats, but all I can hear is Newsom (Jesus Christ!!!) or Michelle Obama (which is nonsense, nepotistic and dynastic). I would welcome a strong Democrat.