46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[paulguitar]

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well as a couple of examples, access to abortions and possibly birth control.

Getting to vote again.

[bobbo89]

paulguitar said:

bobbo89 said:

This seems to be what some people call 'Trump derangement syndrome' in action, their hatred of the man blinds them to what's truly in-front of them and they can't see the effect it'll have.

I can't speak for others, but in my case, it's hating what he did to the USA, and concern at what he seeks to do if re-elected, rather than some kind of personal 'hatred' of the man, although he is demonstrably an appalling individual.

Seeing 'TDS' still being used is surreal, after all we've seen from this fellow. He tried to end the democratic process in his own country.

I think it's still relevant and can clearly be seen to still be a problem, the red mist seems to have has clouded peoples judgement and made them think they don't have to pitch a credible candidate.

'Because not Trump' is a dangerous way to think. That's arrogant and gives power to the opponent.

[swanny71]

Difficult to watch that debate - it confirmed what we already knew (Trump is a pathological liar) and what some feared (Biden is some way past his best).

Trump disgusts me but he ‘won’ last night.

Biden is a good man but he probably needs to stand down now.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

I think the Boden Meloni moment was the point that the party should have intervened.

Nobody likes Gavin Newsom apart from, Gavin Newsom.

Maybe Michelle Obama will do a Nigel Farage and add some energy to the campaign.

[TonyToniTone]

EddieSteadyGo said:

There is a stinging irony that the group of people, some of whom are represented here, who sit in the "anyone but Trump camp" and will therefore back Biden come what may, will be the group responsible for handing the Presidency to Trump.

The echo chambers clearly haven't helped and have likely hindered a new candidate being selected in a timely fashion - the echo chambers will need to take some responsibility if the Felon wins.

[paulguitar]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

I think the Boden Meloni moment was the point that the party should have intervened.

Nobody likes Gavin Newsom apart from, Gavin Newsom.

Maybe Michelle Obama will do a Nigel Farage and add some energy to the campaign.

Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she has no interest in running for any elected office.

[jshell]

Can you imagine the machine behind Biden working furiously today to limit the damage!

[Hippea]

This was awful, what an absolutely scary future we are heading into. This has probably lost the Democrats the election.

[BigMon]

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

[Drew106]

How did the US end up with a choice of these two for President?! Good lord.

[iphonedyou]

Ian Geary said:

I didn't watch the debate, but my heart sank when I read the BBC headlines about it. The Dems seems to have painted themselves into a corner.

I was exactly the same this morning.

[paulguitar]

BigMon said:

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

It's alarming. Anyone who is not concerned about the possibility of 'trump 2; the revenge' presumably doesn't understand the situation.

[TonyToniTone]

It is alarming but what can be done with 18 weeks left?

[LF5335]

Amazing how energised the “I’m not a Trump, supporter, but …” element are today. Guess we’ll have to wait a week or so for it to fade away, as Trump does something daft, or better still gets a real punishment on 11th July.

[Hippea]

TonyToniTone said:

It is alarming but what can be done with 18 weeks left?

Nothing, it’s been handed to Trump

[BigMon]

TonyToniTone said:

It is alarming but what can be done with 18 weeks left?

Nothing tbh. It is an abysmal situation.

[TonyToniTone]

LF5335 said:

Amazing how energised the “I’m not a Trump, supporter, but …” element are today. Guess we’ll have to wait a week or so for it to fade away, as Trump does something daft, or better still gets a real punishment on 11th July.

You are part of the problem, Biden shouldn't have taken the debate.

[thatsprettyshady]

paulguitar said:

BigMon said:

Wheelspinning said:

What exactly will be 'over'?

Support for Israels genocide?
The 'special exercise' in Ukraine?
China's plans for Taiwan?

Or something else?

Well given Trump attempted, but failed, to cause insurrection and will be thirsting for revenge it's not hard to imagine what's going to happen. An American night of the long knives.

Then he'll pull up the drawbridge doubtless emboldening Putin and Xi.

It's alarming. Anyone who is not concerned about the possibility of 'trump 2; the revenge' presumably doesn't understand the situation.

I see this every so often in these thread stating as factual that if Trump gets in he’s going to:

- end elections
- be a dictator for his whole term
- be installed as some sort of monarch
- end the democratic process
Etc etc

It’s these sorts of statements which are damaging to the democrats, can you lay out exactly where these threats to democracy have come from, from whom and exactly what is meant to happen - with sources if possible.

I struggle to believe any of it as the same sort of thing was said in 2016 and none of it came to pass.

At the moment it just seems like doomposting but would appreciate seeing the evidence for any of it.

[LF5335]

TonyToniTone said:

LF5335 said:

Amazing how energised the “I’m not a Trump, supporter, but …” element are today. Guess we’ll have to wait a week or so for it to fade away, as Trump does something daft, or better still gets a real punishment on 11th July.

You are part of the problem, Biden shouldn't have taken the debate.

Except I’m not. I have said continuously on the other thread that I am worried Trump will get back in. I’ve continuously said that Biden is past it and that they should really put someone else in, but that I also understood why they haven’t. Wasting a younger candidate beating Trump means they lose a term to dealing with the man-child and his bhing again.

You keep “not supporting” Trump though.

A challenge that I’ve asked anyone showing support for Trump over and over and never ever gets answered is why? Why do you support Trump? I know why nobody ever answers it though.

[Four Litre]

EddieSteadyGo said:

There is a stinging irony that the group of people, some of whom are represented here, who sit in the "anyone but Trump camp" and will therefore back Biden come what may, will be the group responsible for handing the Presidency to Trump.

They have been defending the indefensible for months on here. I've said it before, if Biden was a CEO he would be removed sharpish as the share price would be going off a cliff. The presidents role is no different, just way more important.

Its time for Biden to step down before he embarrasses the country any more. What a state.