45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
moffspeed said:
KaraK - that is an astonishing find. I've never heard of this before - congrats. on unearthing it. The corrupt SCOTUS model is, as you say, a perfect enabler of this loophole.
Just an excerpt - "Other writers have speculated that Gödel may have had other aspects of the Constitution in mind as well, including the abuse of gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the presidential pardon.[5]" Sounds familiar ?
Yeah, flippancy aside I'm not suggesting that SCOTUS's recent antics are the "loophole" that Gödel had in mind that day (if I had to put my layman's bet down it would be either the Article V gap or the Presidential Self-Pardon) but it does serve as an example of how weak the protections actually are. And how dangerous the seemingly-common view amongst some Americans is that the Constitution is some unbreakable shield against their country suffering an unpleasant trip through dystopia.Just an excerpt - "Other writers have speculated that Gödel may have had other aspects of the Constitution in mind as well, including the abuse of gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the presidential pardon.[5]" Sounds familiar ?
C4ME said:
If Trump gets elected it will be the will of the American people. If he is elected he will only be able to serve a single term this time. In 4 years time somebody else will be elected and the world will move on.
No, no, stop that!He will become Hitler ON DAY ONE.
This thread told me so.
hidetheelephants said:
The chef, in the dining room, with a hamberder. 
"The secret service found an open bottle of statins, just beyond reach of the president's outstretched hand....."
MTG has called for sweeping sanctions on the pharmaceutical industry for failing to protect the president.
M.
RustyMX5 said:
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
He using TS instead. All the bile is still there, the lies, the threatsYou don't have to give him bandwidth
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.DrDeAtH said:
If Trump gets in,, rather than being jailed for his crimes. will he be the next US president to be assassinated?
Why? He surrounded himself with loyal Secret Service agents, ones who deleted messages, then who ordered all the phones to be swapped out.Take Tony Ornato, who resigned rather than be forced to testify about trumps actions. trump promoted him to White House Deputy Chief of Staff
No threat to trump if he's got loyalists around him.
Biggest threat to trump, is trump himself. Her almost killed himself with his denial of covid prevention methods, lack of exercise, poor diet...
trump cludo, in the toilet with a big mac?
Matt Harper said:
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.Matt Harper said:
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.t then we all have to hold our nose, so there is definitely impact felt over in Europe, regardless of if we can't vote on it.But I see it mostly like a deranged TV show that I don't watch but just come here to get the next-day updates. It's remarkable that it's not fiction, and a lot of it was probably unthinkable ten years ago.
ScotHill said:
fatbutt said:
I think he'll be the first US president to be assassinated by the US secret service...
Can you prove he wouldn't be the second...?Byker28i said:
RustyMX5 said:
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
He using TS instead. All the bile is still there, the lies, the threatsYou don't have to give him bandwidth
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en
hidetheelephants said:
Byker28i said:
RustyMX5 said:
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
He using TS instead. All the bile is still there, the lies, the threatsYou don't have to give him bandwidth
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en
tter faithful with the odd tease yet.@Byker. I wasn't aware of that link and thank you for that. I wonder if there's an API feed or something that connects the two.
C4ME said:
If he is elected he will only be able to serve a single term this time. In 4 years time somebody else will be elected and the world will move on.
The only thing preventing his staying more than a single 4 year term is the 22nd Amendment - an amendment that (as written) not only has a giant loophole that you could fly trump force one through but has been the subject of more than 50 repeal attempts (from various sources) since it came in. Even ignoring the 22nd Amendment jiggery pokery the most common argument against suggested shenanigans to stay in power i.e. "he can't do that - it's illegal" no longer carries any weight, Nixon once said "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" and that's now been established as true by the highest court in the land.KaraK said:
C4ME said:
If he is elected he will only be able to serve a single term this time. In 4 years time somebody else will be elected and the world will move on.
The only thing preventing his staying more than a single 4 year term is the 22nd Amendment - an amendment that (as written) not only has a giant loophole that you could fly trump force one through but has been the subject of more than 50 repeal attempts (from various sources) since it came in. Even ignoring the 22nd Amendment jiggery pokery the most common argument against suggested shenanigans to stay in power i.e. "he can't do that - it's illegal" no longer carries any weight, Nixon once said "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" and that's now been established as true by the highest court in the land.So, the "two term" rule is rather lax.
C4ME said:
If Trump gets elected it will be the will of the American people. If he is elected he will only be able to serve a single term this time. In 4 years time somebody else will be elected and the world will move on.
Wrong. If he gets in it will be because, one way or another, he got the requisite number of electoral college votes. The will of the people is represented by the popular vote. They are not the same thing.There may be a constitutionality challenge to the recent scotus ruling- it's effect on the impeachment process
The impeachment process is explicitly stated in the constitution, whereas the recent scotus ruling that "official acts have absolute immunity" is not.
One for the legal scholars.
M.
The impeachment process is explicitly stated in the constitution, whereas the recent scotus ruling that "official acts have absolute immunity" is not.
One for the legal scholars.
M.
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