45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
KaraK said:
Over the last 90+ years people have tried very hard to work out Gödel's Loophole without success. Turns out all it took was a corrupt SCOTUS, who knew?
The whole American system has always been built on the notion that those elected/appointed to power wouldn't abuse it or game the system unfortunately humans being humans that was never going to work out too well. SCOTUS is the prime example - lifetime appointments made in a highly politicised way to a role that has essentially as much power as the holders decide with functionally zero oversight was always going to be a major problem at some point. It didn't need many circumstances to line up and honestly I kind of surprised it didn't happen sooner.
KaraK - that is an astonishing find. I've never heard of this before - congrats. on unearthing it. The corrupt SCOTUS model is, as you say, a perfect enabler of this loophole.The whole American system has always been built on the notion that those elected/appointed to power wouldn't abuse it or game the system unfortunately humans being humans that was never going to work out too well. SCOTUS is the prime example - lifetime appointments made in a highly politicised way to a role that has essentially as much power as the holders decide with functionally zero oversight was always going to be a major problem at some point. It didn't need many circumstances to line up and honestly I kind of surprised it didn't happen sooner.
Just an excerpt - "Other writers have speculated that Gödel may have had other aspects of the Constitution in mind as well, including the abuse of gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the presidential pardon.[5]"
Sounds familiar ?
captain_cynic said:
DrDeAtH said:
If Trump gets in,, rather than being jailed for his crimes. will he be the next US president to be assassinated?
Only good presidents get assassinated, so I doubt it.Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy. If anyone needed a liwtm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
Byker28i said:
Generally I've given reasons why I thought trump wouldn't win. Lack of money, lack of support at rallys, voters shying away at primaries for others not even running etc.
However, the pessimist in me now thinks the fix is in and there's every indication we're looking at the possibility of a second trump term, disastrous for the US.
The media is prepared to attack Biden, whilst ignoring all the issues about trump.
Lets see how it goes, but at the moment, the balance appears to be in trumps favour slightly
The media does plenty of attacks/critism of Trump all the time, your cartoons every day for months show that for example. However, the pessimist in me now thinks the fix is in and there's every indication we're looking at the possibility of a second trump term, disastrous for the US.
The media is prepared to attack Biden, whilst ignoring all the issues about trump.
Lets see how it goes, but at the moment, the balance appears to be in trumps favour slightly
LF5335 said:
NRS said:
It’s not whataboutism to distract from the issue, it’s ’do people treat the opposite the same way?’. Many people these days would see someone marching to keep a Churchill statue in the same way as a lot of people would view a march to save one of the big South ‘heroes’. Both would view the people in the crowd as vile for supporting it, and nasty people.
I appreciate the second point, there IS a big difference in who organises it to me, that’s completely true. If it’s a White Boy organized march then IMO no excuse. If it’s a march where you have a lot of southern Americans viewing it as state versus union powers (which is a huge thing there) and some of people that come along are the racist crowd that is different IMO.
(And just to make it clear, the original comment from Trump I think WAS aimed at the racists, possibly not even because he agrees with everything they think, but because he doesn’t care what anyone does/thinks as long as they support him in his search for validation/love he never got and money he can make off them. That’s the main reasons Trump does stuff to me, he wants to be liked as he has such a think skin and wants as much money as possible.
I posted the original word for word transcript of the journalist and Trump at the start of this discussion. There is therefore no “think”, you check it and know exactly what was said and who it was aimed it or not. I agree that Trump is all about the money, but he always chases and gets the support of the racists. His comments about black voters give that away:I appreciate the second point, there IS a big difference in who organises it to me, that’s completely true. If it’s a White Boy organized march then IMO no excuse. If it’s a march where you have a lot of southern Americans viewing it as state versus union powers (which is a huge thing there) and some of people that come along are the racist crowd that is different IMO.
(And just to make it clear, the original comment from Trump I think WAS aimed at the racists, possibly not even because he agrees with everything they think, but because he doesn’t care what anyone does/thinks as long as they support him in his search for validation/love he never got and money he can make off them. That’s the main reasons Trump does stuff to me, he wants to be liked as he has such a think skin and wants as much money as possible.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/23/politics/trump-...
moffspeed said:
KaraK - that is an astonishing find. I've never heard of this before - congrats. on unearthing it. The corrupt SCOTUS model is, as you say, a perfect enabler of this loophole.
Just an excerpt - "Other writers have speculated that Gödel may have had other aspects of the Constitution in mind as well, including the abuse of gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the presidential pardon.[5]" Sounds familiar ?
Yeah, flippancy aside I'm not suggesting that SCOTUS's recent antics are the "loophole" that Gödel had in mind that day (if I had to put my layman's bet down it would be either the Article V gap or the Presidential Self-Pardon) but it does serve as an example of how weak the protections actually are. And how dangerous the seemingly-common view amongst some Americans is that the Constitution is some unbreakable shield against their country suffering an unpleasant trip through dystopia.Just an excerpt - "Other writers have speculated that Gödel may have had other aspects of the Constitution in mind as well, including the abuse of gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the presidential pardon.[5]" Sounds familiar ?
C4ME said:
If Trump gets elected it will be the will of the American people. If he is elected he will only be able to serve a single term this time. In 4 years time somebody else will be elected and the world will move on.
No, no, stop that!He will become Hitler ON DAY ONE.
This thread told me so.
hidetheelephants said:
The chef, in the dining room, with a hamberder. 
"The secret service found an open bottle of statins, just beyond reach of the president's outstretched hand....."
MTG has called for sweeping sanctions on the pharmaceutical industry for failing to protect the president.
M.
RustyMX5 said:
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
He using TS instead. All the bile is still there, the lies, the threatsYou don't have to give him bandwidth
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.DrDeAtH said:
If Trump gets in,, rather than being jailed for his crimes. will he be the next US president to be assassinated?
Why? He surrounded himself with loyal Secret Service agents, ones who deleted messages, then who ordered all the phones to be swapped out.Take Tony Ornato, who resigned rather than be forced to testify about trumps actions. trump promoted him to White House Deputy Chief of Staff
No threat to trump if he's got loyalists around him.
Biggest threat to trump, is trump himself. Her almost killed himself with his denial of covid prevention methods, lack of exercise, poor diet...
trump cludo, in the toilet with a big mac?
Matt Harper said:
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.Matt Harper said:
Mr Whippy said:
Just vote for who you want and then leave it at that.
Engaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
... and here's the irony - virtually none of the most opinionated protagonists in this thread (and the others related to US politics) are permitted to vote on any of this. Lively debate is one thing, but pontificating like you actually have any say in this sEngaging in discourse about it is likely to result in arguing with an idiot at some point which doesn’t do you any good.
t-show, is kind of strange.t then we all have to hold our nose, so there is definitely impact felt over in Europe, regardless of if we can't vote on it.But I see it mostly like a deranged TV show that I don't watch but just come here to get the next-day updates. It's remarkable that it's not fiction, and a lot of it was probably unthinkable ten years ago.
ScotHill said:
fatbutt said:
I think he'll be the first US president to be assassinated by the US secret service...
Can you prove he wouldn't be the second...?Byker28i said:
RustyMX5 said:
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
He using TS instead. All the bile is still there, the lies, the threatsYou don't have to give him bandwidth
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en
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