46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
Mortarboard said:
Jeanboi said:
I see that. I believe it will be embarrassing even with that as, even though you might not agree, Trump can think faster and fire off a reasonably coherent 'attack' in a short space of time better than Biden can right now.
I'd love to see an example of that. He seems to need help on the likes of "fox & friends", so no idea how he'll cope with an actual debate!It's not he's been using the primary debates, for example. Or taking the stand in his (many) court cases.
Jeanboi said:
The more 'conditions' are applied to this the more the 'debate' will look like a stage managed charade.
Unfortunately it will not give the American voters the impression that Joe Biden's team hopes it will.
Excuses in early?Unfortunately it will not give the American voters the impression that Joe Biden's team hopes it will.
M.
He really doesn't see Joe as being a tricky adversary. If he can focus on the one debate with Joe Biden the context in which one can judge Biden vs Trump 'right now' (as a negotiator, a leader, a speaker, a figurehead) is reduced to just that..............................
What do you mean by excuses? If you think I'm suggesting the stage management of the 'debate' will give Joe an unfair win then think again!
I doubt Joe Biden will get the upper hand over Trump in any meaningful way in that debate, regardless.
What I'm saying is the effect of this 'stage management' will reflect badly on the whole process.
If you've made your mind up that either candidate is a crook or a saviour then the debate will mean nothing to you.
Those that need to hear something more will feel quite disillusioned by it.
I am genuinely really looking forward to the debates.
Biden struggles to string it together for 90 seconds with a script and teleprompter in front of him without going down some rabbit hole; it shall be very interesting to see how he performs with no aids for 90 minutes.
It going to dismiss any concerns about him, or bury him.
I think the latter.
Biden struggles to string it together for 90 seconds with a script and teleprompter in front of him without going down some rabbit hole; it shall be very interesting to see how he performs with no aids for 90 minutes.
It going to dismiss any concerns about him, or bury him.
I think the latter.
Biden did well against Trump in the 2020 debates.
All of the elements that carried him through the 2016 debates so effectively have gone now. He has been a politician for almost a decade, his talking points are the same, he is totally pre-occupied with the 2020 election and so on, the sharp and pointed comments that were so effective against Hilary just don't exist any more. He has been found guilty by a jury of his peers.
Biden is not a strong debater but I don't think he needs to be. I expect he will stick to restating points on the issues and largely ignore Trump.
All of the elements that carried him through the 2016 debates so effectively have gone now. He has been a politician for almost a decade, his talking points are the same, he is totally pre-occupied with the 2020 election and so on, the sharp and pointed comments that were so effective against Hilary just don't exist any more. He has been found guilty by a jury of his peers.
Biden is not a strong debater but I don't think he needs to be. I expect he will stick to restating points on the issues and largely ignore Trump.
thatsprettyshady said:
If Biden can hold it together he wins for sure, anything I read about him on X, fb is just about his mental decline - if he can head that one off he’s halfway to another 4 years.
These debates are always a bigger risk to the sitting President. If Trump does manage to do something creative it could easily go sideways for Biden - but I think he will dig the same mines he has been for years. Hunter, the economy, migration, how unfairly treated he is and so on.gregs656 said:
thatsprettyshady said:
If Biden can hold it together he wins for sure, anything I read about him on X, fb is just about his mental decline - if he can head that one off he’s halfway to another 4 years.
These debates are always a bigger risk to the sitting President. If Trump does manage to do something creative it could easily go sideways for Biden - but I think he will dig the same mines he has been for years. Hunter, the economy, migration, how unfairly treated he is and so on.
borcy said:
They both look to be struggling with age just as much as each other. I'm not why it has to be either or.
Whoever wins they'll end up with someone who should have stepped back from politics already and let someone younger pick up the reins.
Careful making that entirely obvious and reasonable point around here. Whoever wins they'll end up with someone who should have stepped back from politics already and let someone younger pick up the reins.
Scrimpton said:
borcy said:
They both look to be struggling with age just as much as each other. I'm not why it has to be either or.
Whoever wins they'll end up with someone who should have stepped back from politics already and let someone younger pick up the reins.
Careful making that entirely obvious and reasonable point around here. Whoever wins they'll end up with someone who should have stepped back from politics already and let someone younger pick up the reins.
Biden beat Trump last time too, so he has a good track record.
LF5335 said:
g3org3y said:
Sorry, to clarify, the new video posted (with Obama) as per The Standard and The Sun are fake or have I misunderstood what you're saying?
Why are you making this so difficult? It’s not tricky.As I mentioned previously, I couldn't see a difference, but other more eagle eyed PHers are probably more observant than me.
g3org3y said:
After watching the two videos of the fundraiser, did you ascertain which bit was faked in this one versus the clip that was reported as the fact checking/real one?
As I mentioned previously, I couldn't see a difference, but other more eagle eyed PHers are probably more observant than me.
I’m not particularly observant according to my partner, but it’s easy to spot the difference. It’s all about perspective and what you’re looking for. You want to see someone who is stopped in a daze, whereas the second shows him smiling and looking into the crowd before walking off with Obama. As I mentioned previously, I couldn't see a difference, but other more eagle eyed PHers are probably more observant than me.
And here it is from the other side. Which one do you believe is the real situation?
thatsprettyshady said:
no one has replied yet, so let me. That's obviously doctored easily debunked Russian disinformation spread by RNC Research MAGA lunatics on X a platform run by a far-right sympathiser, it's a joke that people are allowed to constantly spread these lies on this thread - MODS need to do their job!!
.... but but but insurrectionist Trump is worse!
here, i think i covered most stuff.
some recent videos of Joe are compiled here, also include a brief rundown of the mess of Hunter's plea deal and subsequent guilty verdict. Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist - it's a piss-take.
LF5335 said:
I’m not particularly observant according to my partner, but it’s easy to spot the difference. It’s all about perspective and what you’re looking for. You want to see someone who is stopped in a daze, whereas the second shows him smiling and looking into the crowd before walking off with Obama.
And here it is from the other side. Which one do you believe is the real situation?
Clearly he saw someone who looked like Harry in the crowd.And here it is from the other side. Which one do you believe is the real situation?
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