45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
thatsprettyshady said:
You have a strange sense of humour Sir.p1stonhead said:
America won’t be (relatively) ‘safe’ until Trump is dead and buried.
Because if he loses this time, he will be there again in 4 years. It’s HIS party now.
He will only be about as old as Biden is now too. I bet he will live to 95 lot something like Rupert Murdoch has somehow managed to.
If he loses this time he will likely be in Jail in 4 years.Because if he loses this time, he will be there again in 4 years. It’s HIS party now.
He will only be about as old as Biden is now too. I bet he will live to 95 lot something like Rupert Murdoch has somehow managed to.
He may live to 200 though, his doctor told him.
g4ry13 said:
Byker28i said:
Biden had some good polls yesterday, shows trumps leads is slipping away, despite the medias reporting on Biden
- Ipsos/Reuters 40%-40% - Biden gains 2
- TIPP 43%-41% - Biden gains 2
- Bullfinch PA Biden 45%-44% - 1st Biden lead in PA in some time
Poll is 5 months old and claims to only be women. - Ipsos/Reuters 40%-40% - Biden gains 2
- TIPP 43%-41% - Biden gains 2
- Bullfinch PA Biden 45%-44% - 1st Biden lead in PA in some time
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 3rd July 06:42
Maybe Quinnipiac have a more recent poll?
dobbo_ said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I assume there's much less derision and mockery when you suggest Trump will get in in November if you suggest it now rather than 6 months ago?
See this post, right here, is a perfect example of the problems with political discourse.Nobody derided, or mocked those that were saying Trump would win. They simply said that they didn't believe it was likely.
But you come along going "oh derision and mockery" because you're looking to stir up trouble. It's transparent, and pathetic.
Somebody giving a counter argument is not derision, or mockery.
RustyMX5 said:
I wouldn't wholly agree. When I made the statement that I thought Trump had a good chance of winning in a former volume (possibly as far back as 12), CGT was quick and quite brutal in his(?) efforts to shoot it down. Since then, I've largely stayed quiet on the matter.
dobbo has actually been one of the worst for jumping on people, and he must be conscious of it because when I said I used a script to block some users he thought he might be one of them. 
amusingduck said:
g4ry13 said:
Byker28i said:
Biden had some good polls yesterday, shows trumps leads is slipping away, despite the medias reporting on Biden
- Ipsos/Reuters 40%-40% - Biden gains 2
- TIPP 43%-41% - Biden gains 2
- Bullfinch PA Biden 45%-44% - 1st Biden lead in PA in some time
Poll is 5 months old and claims to only be women. - Ipsos/Reuters 40%-40% - Biden gains 2
- TIPP 43%-41% - Biden gains 2
- Bullfinch PA Biden 45%-44% - 1st Biden lead in PA in some time
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 3rd July 06:42
Maybe Quinnipiac have a more recent poll?
RustyMX5 said:
dobbo_ said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I assume there's much less derision and mockery when you suggest Trump will get in in November if you suggest it now rather than 6 months ago?
See this post, right here, is a perfect example of the problems with political discourse.Nobody derided, or mocked those that were saying Trump would win. They simply said that they didn't believe it was likely.
But you come along going "oh derision and mockery" because you're looking to stir up trouble. It's transparent, and pathetic.
Somebody giving a counter argument is not derision, or mockery.
However, the pessimist in me now thinks the fix is in and there's every indication we're looking at the possibility of a second trump term, disastrous for the US.
trumps boasting he doesn't need votes, which means they are going with 'fake' electors again, but probably by passing rules to allow states to ignore voters and allow the electors to decide, or just push it to his scotus.
Scotus has already shown it's hand, deliberately delaying decisions to stop trump trials going ahead and then granting him immunity for past and future acts, which he has planned - especially politically prosecuting his opponents. In fact scotus made it almost imperative trump wins because of what it's offered, the ability to make his prosecutions go away.
Big donors are starting to step in, although trump still has big money issues.
The media is prepared to attack Biden, whilst ignoring all the issues about trump.
Lets see how it goes, but at the moment, the balance appears to be in trumps favour slightly
k me, Biden's odds now 7/1, Kamala Harris's odds now 6/1!!! Likely due to a flow of money, but still......It gets scarier by the day.
Surely there must be thousands of (generally very decent) American citizens who recognise that they are on Trump’s retribution/hate/hit list. If Trump prevails on November 5th will we see a mass Russian-style exodus of these people ?
Put it this way - if you were the admirable Dr Anthony Fauci would you hang around in the USA in the knowledge that MTG and a baying mob of MAGA’s were hell bent on imprisoning you for the rest of your life ?
Surely there must be thousands of (generally very decent) American citizens who recognise that they are on Trump’s retribution/hate/hit list. If Trump prevails on November 5th will we see a mass Russian-style exodus of these people ?
Put it this way - if you were the admirable Dr Anthony Fauci would you hang around in the USA in the knowledge that MTG and a baying mob of MAGA’s were hell bent on imprisoning you for the rest of your life ?
Byker28i said:
As I've said many times, the ultimate conman
54% of registered voters say trump should not be running for president, according to a new CBS-YouGov poll.
YouGov/CBS Poll: Should Biden stay in the race? YES, 55%-45% Should trump stay in the race? NO, 54-46% That says it all.
Polls are going the wrong way for trump - latest from 538
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election...
Chance of winning:
Biden 50%
Trump 49%
.
Electoral votes:
Biden 270
Trump 268
Same now puts trump ahead54% of registered voters say trump should not be running for president, according to a new CBS-YouGov poll.
YouGov/CBS Poll: Should Biden stay in the race? YES, 55%-45% Should trump stay in the race? NO, 54-46% That says it all.
Polls are going the wrong way for trump - latest from 538
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election...
Chance of winning:
Biden 50%
Trump 49%
.
Electoral votes:
Biden 270
Trump 268
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election...
Latest Yougov/Yahoo poll put trump 3 points ahead swinging their average
LF5335 said:
I think some States will step up and refuse to accept / allow Trump’s orders to be carried out on their soil.
If that did happen and I can see it happening I can't imagine trump tolerating such a snub to his authority. As much as I hate to say it and I really hope I'm wrong but if trump gets in I can see some sort of civil war where some of the States want to leave the Union.
Byker28i said:
Generally I've given reasons why I thought trump wouldn't win. Lack of money, lack of support at rallys, voters shying away at primaries for others not even running etc.
However, the pessimist in me now thinks the fix is in and there's every indication we're looking at the possibility of a second trump term, disastrous for the US.
trumps boasting he doesn't need votes, which means they are going with 'fake' electors again, but probably by passing rules to allow states to ignore voters and allow the electors to decide, or just push it to his scotus.
Scotus has already shown it's hand, deliberately delaying decisions to stop trump trials going ahead and then granting him immunity for past and future acts, which he has planned - especially politically prosecuting his opponents. In fact scotus made it almost imperative trump wins because of what it's offered, the ability to make his prosecutions go away.
Big donors are starting to step in, although trump still has big money issues.
The media is prepared to attack Biden, whilst ignoring all the issues about trump.
Lets see how it goes, but at the moment, the balance appears to be in trumps favour slightly
And I don't have an issue because the few times we've had discourse, we've both made plausibly valid points for each side of the point of view.However, the pessimist in me now thinks the fix is in and there's every indication we're looking at the possibility of a second trump term, disastrous for the US.
trumps boasting he doesn't need votes, which means they are going with 'fake' electors again, but probably by passing rules to allow states to ignore voters and allow the electors to decide, or just push it to his scotus.
Scotus has already shown it's hand, deliberately delaying decisions to stop trump trials going ahead and then granting him immunity for past and future acts, which he has planned - especially politically prosecuting his opponents. In fact scotus made it almost imperative trump wins because of what it's offered, the ability to make his prosecutions go away.
Big donors are starting to step in, although trump still has big money issues.
The media is prepared to attack Biden, whilst ignoring all the issues about trump.
Lets see how it goes, but at the moment, the balance appears to be in trumps favour slightly
I will admit that I didn't see scotus playing such a critical part of what's happening. My original thinking was that they'd set boundaries rather than leave it open with 'official acts' which now opens the door to him seemingly getting away with almost everything.
I always considered the Georgia RICO case to be somewhat weak and likely to stutter and collapse because the evidence of intent didn't seem particularly strong but we've only seen the charges and not the evidence.
I always thought that the Stollen Documents case had the best chance of succeeding.
What's really surprised me though is that the twitter storm he unleashed in 2015 and 2016 is completely missing this time around. I had high expectations that he'd return to using that as a weapon of choice especially as he seems to have the backing of Musk. Yeah, I know that contractually he couldn't use it in the same way because of his obligation to Lies Social but even so, only a single tweet so far.
Sadly it's looking like the table has squeaked over to his favour slightly but it still hangs very much in the balance somewhat.
I just hope that for the next debate Biden doesn't just pull a rabbit out of the hat but a veritable zoo of nasty animals with which to attack trump.
Over the last 90+ years people have tried very hard to work out Gödel's Loophole without success. Turns out all it took was a corrupt SCOTUS, who knew?
The whole American system has always been built on the notion that those elected/appointed to power wouldn't abuse it or game the system unfortunately humans being humans that was never going to work out too well. SCOTUS is the prime example - lifetime appointments made in a highly politicised way to a role that has essentially as much power as the holders decide with functionally zero oversight was always going to be a major problem at some point. It didn't need many circumstances to line up and honestly I kind of surprised it didn't happen sooner.
The whole American system has always been built on the notion that those elected/appointed to power wouldn't abuse it or game the system unfortunately humans being humans that was never going to work out too well. SCOTUS is the prime example - lifetime appointments made in a highly politicised way to a role that has essentially as much power as the holders decide with functionally zero oversight was always going to be a major problem at some point. It didn't need many circumstances to line up and honestly I kind of surprised it didn't happen sooner.
skwdenyer said:
How much would it cost to shift the odds? Who benefits if they do shift?
You don't need to look for a conspiracy theory in the betting odds. It is just a reflection of what people can see for themselves, and what influential Democrat politicians are saying publicly and privately.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff