45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
NRS said:
How? Give an example where it would be legal?
The ruling should be bigger than Trump and Biden, since those lots are nutters who tend to stick to the past no matter how stupid things are. It in theory should stop Trump going after Biden if Trump wins the next election for example, which quite a few have highlighted as a risk.
Sonja Sotomayor who just happens to be one of Supreme Court justices sees it as legal. I’d take her knowledge and concern over this ruling over your “not a Trump supporter, but …” position on everything. The ruling should be bigger than Trump and Biden, since those lots are nutters who tend to stick to the past no matter how stupid things are. It in theory should stop Trump going after Biden if Trump wins the next election for example, which quite a few have highlighted as a risk.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/j...
LF5335 said:
NRS said:
How? Give an example where it would be legal?
The ruling should be bigger than Trump and Biden, since those lots are nutters who tend to stick to the past no matter how stupid things are. It in theory should stop Trump going after Biden if Trump wins the next election for example, which quite a few have highlighted as a risk.
Sonja Sotomayor who just happens to be one of Supreme Court justices sees it as legal. I’d take her knowledge and concern over this ruling over your “not a Trump supporter, but …” position on everything. The ruling should be bigger than Trump and Biden, since those lots are nutters who tend to stick to the past no matter how stupid things are. It in theory should stop Trump going after Biden if Trump wins the next election for example, which quite a few have highlighted as a risk.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/j...
The action of the president would be tested in a court of law to see if it was personal or official duty, that is the new ruling. You’d need a corrupt judge to approve an assassination of a political rival, as it clearly would be personal. And if you have a judge in your pocket then you don’t need this ruling anyway. They can just do highly dubious rulings like Cannon has been doing to help Trump out try and avoid the prison time he should face.
This does not say the President will not face a court room for decisions they make, it says it would go to court to decide between the two. That as I said will also in theory stop Trump going after Biden in revenge, which he would almost certainly try if he gets into power. That’s why I’m saying it is a wider picture issue, not just the immediate situation with Trump now.
It’s the same for the filibuster and the stacking of the Supreme Court. The Dems could do it, but if they’re out of power in future and trying to slow down Trump doing evil s
t and the filibuster is gone it will have consequences far beyond the current situation. Same for stacking the court, expect the GOP to return serve when they get into power in future. But of course, all of this is because I’m a massive Trump fan…
NRS said:
You are ridiculous with your insinuations.
The action of the president would be tested in a court of law to see if it was personal or official duty, that is the new ruling. You’d need a corrupt judge to approve an assassination of a political rival, as it clearly would be personal. And if you have a judge in your pocket then you don’t need this ruling anyway. They can just do highly dubious rulings like Cannon has been doing to help Trump out try and avoid the prison time he should face.
This does not say the President will not face a court room for decisions they make, it says it would go to court to decide between the two. That as I said will also in theory stop Trump going after Biden in revenge, which he would almost certainly try if he gets into power. That’s why I’m saying it is a wider picture issue, not just the immediate situation with Trump now.
It’s the same for the filibuster and the stacking of the Supreme Court. The Dems could do it, but if they’re out of power in future and trying to slow down Trump doing evil st and the filibuster is gone it will have consequences far beyond the current situation. Same for stacking the court, expect the GOP to return serve when they get into power in future.
But of course, all of this is because I’m a massive Trump fan…
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not. Then it eventually after years and years makes its way to the Supreme Court, who will find it was OK after all. Even if they don’t Biden is still dead. The action of the president would be tested in a court of law to see if it was personal or official duty, that is the new ruling. You’d need a corrupt judge to approve an assassination of a political rival, as it clearly would be personal. And if you have a judge in your pocket then you don’t need this ruling anyway. They can just do highly dubious rulings like Cannon has been doing to help Trump out try and avoid the prison time he should face.
This does not say the President will not face a court room for decisions they make, it says it would go to court to decide between the two. That as I said will also in theory stop Trump going after Biden in revenge, which he would almost certainly try if he gets into power. That’s why I’m saying it is a wider picture issue, not just the immediate situation with Trump now.
It’s the same for the filibuster and the stacking of the Supreme Court. The Dems could do it, but if they’re out of power in future and trying to slow down Trump doing evil s
t and the filibuster is gone it will have consequences far beyond the current situation. Same for stacking the court, expect the GOP to return serve when they get into power in future. But of course, all of this is because I’m a massive Trump fan…
Nothing will stop Trump going after anyone that he wants to. If Trump gets re-elected there will be States refusing to follow or allow Presidential orders to be carried out on their soil.
For those banging on about Seal Team 6 assassinating political rivals etc or similar being disgusting etc ...
Read bottom of page 29 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939...
Read bottom of page 29 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939...
robscot said:
For those banging on about Seal Team 6 assassinating political rivals etc or similar being disgusting etc ...
Read bottom of page 29 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939...
That's the catch22 for the ruling.Read bottom of page 29 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939...
If denying certain, specific state's electoral college votes is "official bizznizz" and therefore legal, there's nothing to stop biden simply handwaving away red states votes.
If it was Clinton instead of Biden, I'd put money on him doing just that, in order to force the issue.
Biden is too much of a traditionalist to do so, however.
M.
LF5335 said:
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not. Then it eventually after years and years makes its way to the Supreme Court, who will find it was OK after all. Even if they don’t Biden is still dead.
Nothing will stop Trump going after anyone that he wants to. If Trump gets re-elected there will be States refusing to follow or allow Presidential orders to be carried out on their soil.
OK. Put the tinfoil hats away folks.Nothing will stop Trump going after anyone that he wants to. If Trump gets re-elected there will be States refusing to follow or allow Presidential orders to be carried out on their soil.
We now have the winning post on this thread
Mortarboard said:
Oh I know. Million to one chance and all that 
But in the event of Trump getting his hands on the presidency again, I fully expect a backlash of at least the magnitude of the pussy marches, along with Pelosi et al doing their damndest to frustrate things as much as possible.
Things could get real ugly, real fast.
M.
You really think the RepubliBut in the event of Trump getting his hands on the presidency again, I fully expect a backlash of at least the magnitude of the pussy marches, along with Pelosi et al doing their damndest to frustrate things as much as possible.
Things could get real ugly, real fast.
M.
s are scared of Pelosi trying to get in the way or a bunch of people marching in the streets?Short of a full scale civil war (which I guess you're referring to with it getting ugly) they won't be bothered in the slightest by anyone getting in their way, they're obviously not now.
LF5335 said:
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not.
Or the next President just orders the judge to be killed and the court is rendered irrelevant.F1GTRUeno said:
You really think the Republis are scared of Pelosi trying to get in the way or a bunch of people marching in the streets?
Short of a full scale civil war (which I guess you're referring to with it getting ugly) they won't be bothered in the slightest by anyone getting in their way, they're obviously not now.
Not civil war, no. There's not enough loons, even in the US in the current climate.s are scared of Pelosi trying to get in the way or a bunch of people marching in the streets?Short of a full scale civil war (which I guess you're referring to with it getting ugly) they won't be bothered in the slightest by anyone getting in their way, they're obviously not now.
But pussy march, antfa etc
Fillibuster everything
No appointment hearings
State cases out the wazoo
If the GOP are determined to weaponize everything, we'll end up with the democrats' version of maga, along with the magaloons. Ugly ugly ugly
Tit for tat actions for years
M.
Wheelspinning said:
OK. Put the tinfoil hats away folks.
We now have the winning post on this thread
Don't worry guys, the US legal expert "Wheelspinning" has read the full Supreme Court judgement and is confident there is nothing to worry about.We now have the winning post on this thread
We can all relax now.
OH but also, this legal expert seems to think Wheelspinning on PH has it wrong. Who to believe?
https://twitter.com/DirkSchwenk/status/18078224324...
Edited by dobbo_ on Monday 1st July 21:55
dobbo_ said:
LF5335 said:
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not.
Or the next President just orders the judge to be killed and the court is rendered irrelevant.t crazy:The whole thing is written to cover nothing about legality in anyway, it’s that the president should never worry about prosecution so they can have the option of making a fast decision if needs be. And it cannot be questioned if it is official business or not.
I posted before about agreeing with the general concept, and I still do. But the wording in this covers far more than that, it basically states you cannot even investigate if the action was taken in official business.
As for some of the Trump specific stuff in the example above he would not need to kill a judge, he can just fire them for no reason, see below:
LF5335 said:
Wheelspinning said:
OK. Put the tinfoil hats away folks.
We now have the winning post on this thread
You really are a loathsome little troll aren’t you. We now have the winning post on this thread
Just have a quick read of your post.
Your saying Trump shall kill Biden and anyone else who has annoyed him if he is the 47 POTUS because he will have a full pass based on today's judgement.
As i said, thread winner.
I posted on here earlier that as soon as you resort to calling other posters names, belittle them or swear, you have lost all credibility with the point you are trying to get across, although in this instance your previous post topped this 'putdown' by a country mile.
Wheelspinning said:
Really?
Just have a quick read of your post.
Your saying Trump shall kill Biden and anyone else who has annoyed him if he is the 47 POTUS because he will have a full pass based on today's judgement.
As i said, thread winner.
I posted on here earlier that as soon as you resort to calling other posters names, belittle them or swear, you have lost all credibility with the point you are trying to get across, although in this instance your previous post topped this 'putdown' by a country mile.
Read some of the discussion above. It is absolutely clear that a President is now immune from any activity that he decides is an official act. He decides it’s official and that’s it. Nobody can even question whether it is or isn’t. Just have a quick read of your post.
Your saying Trump shall kill Biden and anyone else who has annoyed him if he is the 47 POTUS because he will have a full pass based on today's judgement.
As i said, thread winner.
I posted on here earlier that as soon as you resort to calling other posters names, belittle them or swear, you have lost all credibility with the point you are trying to get across, although in this instance your previous post topped this 'putdown' by a country mile.
But you keep worshipping your god.
dobbo_ said:
LF5335 said:
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not.
Or the next President just orders the judge to be killed and the court is rendered irrelevant.Or...deep breath...maybe today's judgement means there are some things he has been charged with that he now cannot be prosecuted for.
Wheelspinning said:
dobbo_ said:
LF5335 said:
Trump orders Biden to be killed. A sitting President can’t be prosecuted, so he’s in the clear for at least four years. Then it gets argued in a court whether it was legal or not.
Or the next President just orders the judge to be killed and the court is rendered irrelevant.Or...deep breath...maybe today's judgement means there are some things he has been charged with that he now cannot be prosecuted for.
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