45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[dobbo_]

Kermit power said:

I don't believe anyone could read my contributions to the UK politics and think that under normal circumstances I'd want to see anything other than a crushing defeat for Trump, but if the alternative is an octagenarian suffering from dementia anywhere near the nuclear button, what other choice is there?

There is no alternative, it's Trump (knocking on the door of a being an octogenarian, and possibly has dementia), or Biden, (an octogenarian, possibly with dementia).

So who you picking?

[Kermit power]

dobbo_ said:

Kermit power said:

I don't believe anyone could read my contributions to the UK politics and think that under normal circumstances I'd want to see anything other than a crushing defeat for Trump, but if the alternative is an octagenarian suffering from dementia anywhere near the nuclear button, what other choice is there?

There is no alternative, it's Trump (knocking on the door of a being an octogenarian, and possibly has dementia), or Biden, (an octogenarian, possibly with dementia).

So who you picking?

As I've said, I don't follow US politics too closely, but Trump seems to have been cocking up his words since before he was elected 8 years ago, so getting the name of his doctor a bit wrong is hardly a smoking gun.

Biden, on the other hand, was tragic to watch, and I really don't think "possibly" comes in to it.

[dobbo_]

fking hell, getting the name of his doctor wrong? Dude really? Try again. He thinks electric planes can't fly if the sun isn't out. That was yesterday by the way. And I genuinely don't have the time or energy to list the rest. Cos what's the point, you don't want to know. You only cared enough when Biden had a bad debate performance, even though you don't like Trump. Weird that.


Anyway.

I know none of you "Biden has lost it" folks will read this, but you should.


https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/by-obsessing-o...

Oh and if you don't like the partisan commentary, here is just the straight up text.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-b...

Read that, and come back and tell us Biden has lost it and Trump hasn't. You won't though will you?

Edited by dobbo_ on Saturday 29th June 23:48

[Beati Dogu]

Kinda funny that Bill Clinton was elected as President 32 years ago and is still younger than Biden and Trump.

Biden had already been a senator for 20 years by that point.

[Slaav]

DanL said:

Disagree - he’s going to have to make decisions under high pressure day after day, and may have to make a critical decision at short notice (whether to launch or not, for example!).

I don’t now want either of these men in that position, although I’d choose Biden over Trump given these are the current options.

This is such a simple and succinct post ……

I’m also in 100% agreement!

[Kermit power]

dobbo_ said:

fking hell, getting the name of his doctor wrong? Dude really? Try again. He thinks electric planes can't fly if the sun isn't out. That was yesterday by the way. And I genuinely don't have the time or energy to list the rest. Cos what's the point, you don't want to know. You only cared enough when Biden had a bad debate performance, even though you don't like Trump. Weird that.


Anyway.

I know none of you "Biden has lost it" folks will read this, but you should.


https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/by-obsessing-o...

Oh and if you don't like the partisan commentary, here is just the straight up text.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-b...

Read that, and come back and tell us Biden has lost it and Trump hasn't. You won't though will you?

Have you ever lived through a close family member getting dementia?

The comparison you need to make is less between Trump and Biden in this debate but between each man and their 2020 debate performances.

Yes, Trump sounds like he's losing his marbles but he has always sounded like he's losing his marbles, and dementia doesn't work like that because it's a degenerative condition.

With my father, it started out really gradually, and has accelerated, slowly but relentlessly, ever since. He's been as deaf as a post for years as well, so talking to him on the phone has never been much of a conversational experience, which means that the deterioration when we travel down to see them comes as a shock every time. If I could slow his decline the way Trump would've had to slow his if his performance in that debate was linked to dementia, I'd give my right arm to do so, as it tears something out of me every time, and there is no stopping it.

That was the scary thing about watching Biden in the debate. Knowing that up until a couple of years ago, he would've run rings around Donald "Just inject yourself with bleach to cure Covid" Trump yet now, by being no more of a loon than he was back then, Trump comes over as the more mentally sound of the two.

Don't take my word for it though. Go and listen to people like Anthony Scaramucchi on TRiP US. This is a man who knows both Trump and Biden personally and has far more reason than most to detest Trump. Right up until the debate, he was saying that he thought Biden would beat Trump. Straight after it, he was saying the Democrats need to replace him.

In fact, pretty much everywhere you look you'll hear the same message from natural Democrat supporters. I'm not sure you'll find anyone except yourself saying that Biden can beat Trump after that debate. The difference is between the usual suspects on the Right crowing about how Trump is the only thing that can save America from Biden and commentators on the left saying that pretty much any other leading Democrat - except for Karmala Harris, which is another big part of their problem - could still beat Trump, but only if Biden stands down quickly.

[Byker28i]

Kermit power said:

I find the thought of Trump winning another term horrific, but after viewing the debate, I find the thought of Biden winning terrifying.

If I were a US citizen and the Democrats failed to replace Biden before the election, I think I'd have no choice but to vote for Trump just to avoid the scenario of the joint chiefs of staff begging Biden for a decision that might cause or prevent WW3 as he sits quietly drooling down his shirt.

Bidens performance was poor, but then the next day has an impressive performance at a rally thats being ignored.

trump lied throughout, gave his stupid smug face gurn several times, but as a performer did better in the debate, then returned to his rally the next day with the usual word salad. lies, stumbles

and somehow people are saying it's Biden thats past it whilst ignoring all the issues and similar problems about trump based on a single 90 mins performance.

Noone is saying they prefer Biden as candidate, but whilst the GOP seem keen to push the completely flawed trump again as they are desperate for any chance of power, then it'll be Biden as his opponent.

[Byker28i]

Kermit power said:

Have you ever lived through a close family member getting dementia?

Yes and trump exhibits everything that relative did during their early stages, coupled with mini stokes that make it worse. The stumbling, the limited vocabulary, repeating himself, unable to complete sentences Biden appear more like relatives who just got old, coupled with his needs to not stutter.

Kermit power said:

The comparison you need to make is less between Trump and Biden in this debate but between each man and their 2020 debate performances.
Yes, Trump sounds like he's losing his marbles but he has always sounded like he's losing his marbles, and dementia doesn't work like that because it's a degenerative condition.

Exactly that - go back and look at trumps dynamic performances in 2016, his rallys. Then look at 2020 and compare to now

Kermit power said:

That was the scary thing about watching Biden in the debate. Knowing that up until a couple of years ago, he would've run rings around Donald "Just inject yourself with bleach to cure Covid" Trump yet now, by being no more of a loon than he was back then, Trump comes over as the more mentally sound of the two.

I'm not sure if you've watched the whole thing. I posted clips. Neither came across showing particular signs in the debate and tagging Biden as such isn't fair

Kermit power said:

In fact, pretty much everywhere you look you'll hear the same message from natural Democrat supporters.

Weirdly, interviews with Democrat supporters seem to suggest they still strongly support Biden, hence his strong fundraising and donations after the debate. It really showed trump up as a man of no substance.

The only thing it appears we agree on is Harris, however I still don't think the US would accept a woman in power yet. lets get this straight. I don't think Biden is the best candidate the Dems can put forward, but he's still streets ahead of trump in his accomplishments and abilities to make things better for the US and move it forward.
trump is only after making things better for himself.


edit:
In the wake of the debate, Team Biden-Harris raised more than $27 million between debate day and Friday evening. Debate night saw three record-breaking hours for grassroots fundraising – including the hour following the debate which was the best

Still trending on twitter https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpIsUnfitForOff...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 30th June 06:24

[Byker28i]

The Philadelphia Inquirer has anan editorial encouraging trump to leave the presidential race for the good of the country.

"Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is trump,"

"lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering."

"His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office. trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?"
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-...

[Byker28i]

Allan Lichtman, who has correctly predicted every election, gives the strongest reasons why Democrats must stand with Biden. Lichtman also demolished trump for lying on every question in the debate.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1807247196858765487

[Prolex-UK]

Byker28i said:

Kermit power said:

I find the thought of Trump winning another term horrific, but after viewing the debate, I find the thought of Biden winning terrifying.

If I were a US citizen and the Democrats failed to replace Biden before the election, I think I'd have no choice but to vote for Trump just to avoid the scenario of the joint chiefs of staff begging Biden for a decision that might cause or prevent WW3 as he sits quietly drooling down his shirt.

Bidens performance was poor, but then the next day has an impressive performance at a rally thats being ignored.

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Think the answer is Joe had an autocue at the rally.

Trump was his usual self but presented as with it.Joe did not look or sound good.

Hopefully the undecided voters will see through Trumps facade and decipher his lies and vote democrat.

Honestly think he should step aside

[Byker28i]

Worth watching this piece on MSNBC

That how Bidens performance was poor, but trump just lied consistently, then pointing how how trumps scotus is overturning laws and the dangers of trump appointing another 2 judges if he wins.

That if the GOP want to promote their convicted felon, multiple indicted, multiple impeached, awaiting trial on multiple felonies, sexual abuser and rapist candidate, who is awaiting trial for trying to overturn the 2020 election, refusing to return stolen classified documents, then the Dems need to get behind Biden, whos achieved so much despite the best efforts of the GOP

https://twitter.com/i/status/1807216471036035192

[Byker28i]

Questions being asked now just why is trumps plane sat next to a russian government plane for two days. why is there also a United Arab Emirates Air Force C-17 is parked nearby?

Any 'stollen' documents involved


https://www.rawstory.com/trump-russia-plane-two-da...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 30th June 06:36

[Byker28i]

Former republican voter
"I'd rather vote for the corpse of Biden than Trump's lying face,"

[Byker28i]

trump bragged yesterday about wanting to use his Presidency to make Russia, China, and North Korea great again.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1807071941661949971

Remember, court docs released a few days ago revealed the suspected $10M payment that kept trump in the race in the last month in 2016 involved China, as well as Egypt.

We know his beholden to Russia and China, taken their money and political assistance for his campaigns, direct and indirect. Completely compromised by foreign money, yet this is who republicans think is for them. Selling US policy for personal profit.

[Byker28i]

trumps campaign tried another black event, claiming it was just a black business chat, not a trump publicity stunt. Owner said he was misled

Barbershop owner feels “misled” by the trump campaign over a Black small business event turned campaign stunt, says business is now down:
“Why is the …ex-president calling somebody in my barber shop? This has nothing to do with small Black businesses.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1807099399769554950

[Byker28i]

[NRS]

It’s crazy to see the mental gymnastics going on here to defend Biden. Note I said defend Biden, nothing about Trump. Would you honestly trust someone to drive you in a car given the state he was in during the debate, let along run the country? He did well in a speech after when we didn’t have to deal with anything unexpected and could read, but either it shows he is back and forth on his decline, or something weird. And there’s another 4 years to come of decline too during his next term. Honestly anyone defending that is so far down the anti-Trump route as to not see that it makes it MORE likely he gets in.

It will have swayed almost no one’s votes, most Trump supporters will continue, most Dem voters will continue. It’s just the small number of swing voters. By their very definition they don’t view all of Trump’s rambling throughout his career as a major issue, same for some of his lying. If they did they’d be Dem voters. Do you believe they will not be impacted by seeing that terrible mental decline? Are you so certain you’d be willing to go into the election with him?

I would personally out of the 2, but not because of Biden but the team behind. It would be absolutely shocking if Biden did win though, he shouldn’t even drive a car let alone be the lead figure for the most powerful country on earth. He could have ripped Trump to bits when younger, but completely missed it and showed why we normally have a retirement age for people, because you cannot perform the same when you get too old. It’s madness to argue that is ok just because the other person is a horrible person.

paulguitar said:

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paulguitar said:

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I’m not surprised that Biden was quite bad in the debate. He’s lost some of his marbles and that’s not too surprising since he’s 81. I’m surprised that Trump did so well to be honest. He wasn’t as good as he was 8 years ago, but compared to his recent performances at his rallies, he was much better.

He lied consistently and simply didn't answer a lot of the questions at all. He just does it confidently. If you read a transcript of what he says, it's surreal.

Of course Trump lied consistently, that hasn’t changed at all in 8 years. I meant that Trump was able to string sentences together coherently in the way he talks.

Yeah, that's what I said, he does it confidently. But he avoided the actual questions and just made up lies about how great his presidency was.

Take this answer to a question about whether he’d take any action to combat the climate crisis if reelected in November.

“I want absolutely immaculate clean water and I want absolutely immaculate clean air. And we had it. We had H2O,” he said. “We had the best numbers ever and we were using all forms of energy, all forms, everything.”

That says a lot about Biden, anyone with normal brain function could have ripped him apart. Instead he’d either waffle about something random, or make a good point for a sentence and instead of stopping or following it up go on a crazy rambling talk mixing up the issues with others, often half way through the sentence.

[cgt2]

Byker28i said:

Bidens performance was poor, but then the next day has an impressive performance at a rally thats being ignored.
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ON A TELEPROMPTER. He even uses a teleprompter at fundraisers which has been widely reported.

It's a really simple fundamental question/choice knowing full well who and what Trump is.

1. Run a younger/dynamic and articulate candidate who has an 80-90% chance of winning

2. Run Biden who appears old and confused, is very likely to deteriorate further (I also have experience of family members the same age), who is very unpopular with young voters and polls poorly in general and is very likely to lose one of three critical swing States.

He may well win but I give it a 60% probability which is all down to Trump’s historic unpopularity rather than his own merits. Which was the same in 2020 but Biden is much worse now and has lost a large part of the very constituency he built. I see hardly any young people out there advocating for him today.

Americans don't do nuance, they go off image and a perception of strength. Biden cannot meet that bar and those debate clips are on the internet forever now.

Why on earth take the risk in such a critical moment with such high stakes, this is only likely to get worse.

[dobbo_]

Kermit power said:

Have you ever lived through a close family member getting dementia?

My wife lost her mum after around 5-year decline that was utterly brutal ending with her in a nursing home attacking my wife because she didn't know who she was, soiling herself etc. my wife would visit her, come home, and weep in the car for 20 minutes before coming in and cleaning up the wounds that she had received from her mum. So yes I understand your suffering and you have my deepest sympathies for what you went through. I always say you lose person twice first to the dementia and then again when they die. I lost my dad to leukaemia and it was horrible but he was still my dad right up to the end. Alzheimer's is one of the very worst ways that you can lose a person that you love. And one of the biggest reasons that I cannot believe in a just and loving God.

Kermit power said:

The comparison you need to make is less between Trump and Biden in this debate but between each man and their 2020 debate performances.

Given your experiences, I'm astonished that you can't see a staggering decline in Trump and all the physical symptoms of dementia that he displays as well as in his speaking.

Yes it was a terrible debate performance from Biden but when you read what was actually said rather than look at the way it was said, Biden is coherent and forms comprehensible statements albeit in a stumbling fashion. Trump just spews words.

The focus on Biden is because that's where the media wants the focus. I would urge you to read that article I posted.

Three edits to get here I hate posting on my phone

Edited by dobbo_ on Sunday 30th June 09:37