45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[Mortarboard]

cgt2 said:

It shouldn't be hard for a normal Democrat to construct a very persuasive argument against a rapist and convicted felon who may well be sporting an ankle bracelet in the next month severely restricting his ability to campaign.

No, but dumping biden now would be insanity.
"He's old" is all the gop have at the moment.

Dump biden and it's "his last three years were a disaster, even the dems agree, see?" "Not even the dens trust him" "who knows who'll you'll get, they'll change president after the election"

It's time for the democratic party to step up.

M.

[thatsprettyshady]

Mortarboard said:

cgt2 said:

It shouldn't be hard for a normal Democrat to construct a very persuasive argument against a rapist and convicted felon who may well be sporting an ankle bracelet in the next month severely restricting his ability to campaign.

No, but dumping biden now would be insanity.
"He's old" is all the gop have at the moment.

Dump biden and it's "his last three years were a disaster, even the dems agree, see?" "Not even the dens trust him" "who knows who'll you'll get, they'll change president after the election"

It's time for the democratic party to step up.

M.

Please no Kamala. Please.

[cgt2]

Mortarboard said:

I've said it before- not voting for biden because of Israel might make "sense" normally.

Allowing trump in gives the region to the saudis. It's literally voting for war in the middle east.

Biden has been as strict or as lenient with netanyahu as he can be. Or could anyone else. There's no "right" side in the Gaza conflict- both Israel and hamas are dicks.

M.

Young voters who are protesting in their tens of thousands do not see nuance or understand history or the wider geopolitical implications. They see nearly 50,000 civilians bombed to oblivion, 20,000 children maimed with American bombs supplied by this administration.

We have a mountain of evidence as well as weekly protests wherever Biden goes showing how strongly they feel. And they are not with Biden.

They obviously will not vote for Trump but will simply stay home. And this is the very coalition that elected Biden in 2020 in vast numbers.

To pretend young people aren't very angry with Biden is to deny the evidence of our own eyes.

[InformationSuperHighway]

gregs656 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Katty was raising an eyebrow at how confident the Democrats' team was about their ability to mobilise their vote, based on the awful hash they'd made of this showpiece event.

An event they asked for!

I was skeptical that Trump had it in him, but he had obviously been well briefed on what a winning strategy looked like and had been sowing the seeds for weeks.

Trump (Well, his team) were smart. They made this a win win.

If he didn't do well it was rigged etc..

[thatsprettyshady]

Isn't Trump also a massive Israel simp anyway? I can't see things being much different under Trump, with either president the bombs would have fallen and the US support would have been there. I agree a bunch of students staying home rather than vote will hurt Biden more than Trump, however.

[InformationSuperHighway]

cgt2 said:

Mortarboard said:

I've said it before- not voting for biden because of Israel might make "sense" normally.

Allowing trump in gives the region to the saudis. It's literally voting for war in the middle east.

Biden has been as strict or as lenient with netanyahu as he can be. Or could anyone else. There's no "right" side in the Gaza conflict- both Israel and hamas are dicks.

M.

Young voters who are protesting in their tens of thousands do not see nuance or understand history or the wider geopolitical implications. They see nearly 50,000 civilians bombed to oblivion, 20,000 children maimed with American bombs supplied by this administration.

We have a mountain of evidence as well as weekly protests wherever Biden goes showing how strongly they feel. And they are not with Biden.

They obviously will not vote for Trump but will simply stay home. And this is the very coalition that elected Biden in 2020 in vast numbers.

To pretend young people aren't very angry with Biden is to deny the evidence of our own eyes.

In one of Trumps opening comments he called Biden a Palestinian (As an insult) and said he wanted Israel to 'finish the job'.

[InformationSuperHighway]

Never has it been more true to vote for the party / polices than the person.

Neither a fit to be in the position.

[cgt2]

InformationSuperHighway said:

In one of Trumps opening comments he called Biden a Palestinian (As an insult) and said he wanted Israel to 'finish the job'.

Young voters have never been with Trump. They turned out in massive numbers for Biden in 2020 because of their visceral dislike of Trump.

In 2024 they dislike Trump and Biden with equal passion. In key States this will be devastating because of the slim margins.

Compare the number of young people out there four years ago actively showing support for Biden with hardly any today. The evidence is in front of our eyes.

[anonymous-user]

It's June. Everybody needs to take a chill pill.

Some of us remember the first debate in 2012 when Obama was so poor that Chris Matthews practically had a stroke live on MSNBC. And that debate took place in October!

[Mortarboard]

cgt2 said:

Young voters who are protesting in their tens of thousands do not see nuance or understand history or the wider geopolitical implications. They see nearly 50,000 civilians bombed to oblivion, 20,000 children maimed with American bombs supplied by this administration.

We have a mountain of evidence as well as weekly protests wherever Biden goes showing how strongly they feel. And they are not with Biden.

They obviously will not vote for Trump but will simply stay home. And this is the very coalition that elected Biden in 2020 in vast numbers.

To pretend young people aren't very angry with Biden is to deny the evidence of our own eyes.

I'm not. But they'll have to protest twice as hard if trump gets in and birth control is made impossible to get. And bans the shipping of mefiprestone

Hyperbole you say?

"Roe is settled law" "roe is precedent"

Note- Robert's has also stated the scotus can defer making a call on "if abortion is a right at all" to a future date.

M.

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thatsprettyshady said:

Isn't Trump also a massive Israel simp anyway? I can't see things being much different under Trump, with either president the bombs would have fallen and the US support would have been there. I agree a bunch of students staying home rather than vote will hurt Biden more than Trump, however.

He's a bigger Saudi simp, surely?

M.

[CivicDuties]

The problem the Dems have got now, is that if Biden isn't thought fit to stand in November, then surely he's already unfit to be President now. That's a bit of a pickle to answer.

[Mortarboard]

InformationSuperHighway said:

Never has it been more true to vote for the party / polices than the person.

Neither a fit to be in the position.

This. Although Joe is "fit", he's hardly going to light the world on fire.

Although under Trump, on the other hand, some bits almost certainly will

M.

[thatsprettyshady]

Mortarboard said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Isn't Trump also a massive Israel simp anyway? I can't see things being much different under Trump, with either president the bombs would have fallen and the US support would have been there. I agree a bunch of students staying home rather than vote will hurt Biden more than Trump, however.

He's a bigger Saudi simp, surely?

M.

The Israel conflict was bad for the Saudis anyway, it prevented the Israel-Saudi deal being signed which I'm sure both parties are unhappy about, so "getting it over with" which has been Trumps line since the start most likely favours everyone involved here, but not the Gazans obviously.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-talks-saudi-...

[98elise]

Superflow said:

ScotHill said:

No, the charges were about falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime - the offences were committed upon falsifying the records with criminal intent, the prosecution didn’t have to prove those further crimes occurred, just that’s what the intent was. Trump’s defence failed to persuade the jury that there was no criminal intent in falsifying the business records.

So why give them three options?

Because they knew they probably wouldn’t get a unanimous verdict with one option that’s why and that’s them goalposts moving.

You're clutching at straws.

[thatsprettyshady]

Some of the J6 rioters are potentially getting their convictions looked at again as the DOJ were using laws which were never meant for this situation, the court found the law, part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, was meant for evidence tampering, not the Capitol riot.

Over 300 Jan. 6 riot convictions now in peril after Supreme Court rules on obstruction charge - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/over-300-jan-...
Supreme Court rules for Jan. 6 rioter challenging obstruction charge - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-ru...

[Challo]

Superflow said:

Challo said:

Superflow said:

It could with voter fraud.

Naive to think all immigrants will play by the rules and wait for citizenship to arrive.

You know the voter fraud topic was debunked in the courts several times after the last election, and it was the GOP found guilty of using fake electors to win the race.

Those courts that said the jurors don’t have to all agree to convict Trump because we will just move the goalposts to get the result we want even if that means weaponising the US justice system.

Yes I know.

How many court cases did Trump and the GOP win after the 2020 election after they saying the election was stolen due to voter fraud?

Was their any evidence of mass voter fraud by the Dems?

Its something parroted by the GOP, but never any evidence.

[ChocolateFrog]

Mortarboard said:

InformationSuperHighway said:

Never has it been more true to vote for the party / polices than the person.

Neither a fit to be in the position.

This. Although Joe is "fit", he's hardly going to light the world on fire.

Although under Trump, on the other hand, some bits almost certainly will

M.

I'm probably wrong but my recollection of his first term was that he started fewer than average wars.

There's a lot to beat Trump with but I'm not sure I'd start with his war mongering.

[paulguitar]

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm probably wrong but my recollection of his first term was that he started fewer than average wars.

There's a lot to beat Trump with but I'm not sure I'd start with his war mongering.

Which wars has the current president started?

[Mortarboard]

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm probably wrong but my recollection of his first term was that he started fewer than average wars.

There's a lot to beat Trump with but I'm not sure I'd start with his war mongering.

If you were a gaza supporter, how do you feel things might happen if trump gets elected?
If you're in the front line in Ukraine, how would you feel if your airwatch/Intel disappeared overnight?
If you were stood on a western shore of Taiwan, how would you feel looking west?

None started. But sure as hell going to be worse if trump gets in.

M.