45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[Unreal]

Byker28i said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

You're need to think I hate trump rather blinkers your approach and you haven't read anything I've written

As I said, you just can't accept that Biden's performance was appalling. It doesn't matter if his opponent was the devil incarnate. The devil came out of that debate better in the eyes of the vast majority of people.

[Eric Mc]

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

[Unreal]

Bonefish Blues said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

There's time. There are candidates that beat Trump all day long even from a standing start (Newsom's long been my pick). Biden's the issue, he mustn't cling on.

I wouldn't disagree but will they get on and do it? I don't think it's that simple from a Dem politics perspective.

[S600BSB]

Eric Mc said:

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

Completely agree.

[Goaty Bill 2]

thatsprettyshady said:

Then you need to extend the same courtesy to those on here who are labelled as Trump supporters and attacked when pointing out Biden failings.

Without wishing to take a side on the personal aspect of that perspective; The US is in the same mess the UK is in, and probably we always have been, both here and there.
Both choices are bad. Trump/Hillary, Trump/Biden, Cameron/Miliband, Johnson/Corbin, Sunak/Starmer.

Criticism of one does not necessarily imply support for the other.
Mostly we vote for the least bad or against the one we despise the most.

[Wills2]

DanL said:

hidetheelephants said:

This sums it up reasonably well.

Can’t disagree.

People vote on image in current times - Blair showed it, and it’s carried on since in my view.

I agree he summed it up well, but on your point around image it's been about that for a long time, JFK proved that when he debated Nixon back in 1960.

It's not great that Biden is struggling but if I was in the US and had a vote I would still vote for him vs Trump, It'll come down to the undecided but the US appears to be very polarised so I wonder how many there are of them and what impact that swing will have in the states that matter?

Edited by Wills2 on Friday 28th June 08:39

[cgt2]

Biden needs to step aside. I was shocked how much he has declined. Now I understand why he avoids tough interviews. He had already lost the vast majority of young voters and optics are everything especially with a huge populace of uneducated Americans. Blind loyalty by Dems afraid to speak the truth will result in oblivion.

I have to admit Trump surprised me. No way I thought he would show discipline but for many people who don't know every word out of his mouth was a lie he looked competent. He is a master conman. He lies and is a criminal but he projects strength. People unaware and unschooled in nuance will fall for it.

He may yet be sentenced to house arrest which will really create a st show.

Both terrible choices but Dems have to replace Biden and coast to an easy win.

[anonymoususer]

I saw some of it. As in watched a good portion of it. Joe Biden seemed genuinely lost.
I have to agree with some other posters that it was not a good result for Biden.

I simply cannot believe that Trump is once again a candidate.

[Tom8]

Perhaps Starmer and Sunak looks a great choice.

All this denial about Biden's fitness to serve I think was properly exposed. Can he step down? Can someone else take the nomination?

Trump? Well that is a whole different matter.

[nordboy]

Scrimpton said:

Jader1973 said:

All the need is to swap Biden out for a quick witted, intelligent 50 something and Trump would be buggered.

This is exactly the point. No matter how much the likes of Byker tell us not to believe our lyin' eyes, Biden is probably one of the few possible candidates who might lose to a clearly mental Trump.

Agreed, could you imagine Obama going up against Trump last night. He would have absolutely destroyed him. Saying that, Trump wouldn't have turned up if it was Obama.

Trump won't win this election, he'll be given it on a plate if Biden continues on like this. I very much dislike Trump, but I'm also not sure I would vote for Biden knowing he has another 4 yrs? Maybe as a Trump protest vote.

Really is a race to the bottom. Embarrassing.

[eldar]

S600BSB said:

Eric Mc said:

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

Completely agree.

Biden has effectively handed the election to Trump. It won't just be the USA that sees frailty and weakness. There is no upside for Biden to continue.

[p1stonhead]

S600BSB said:

Eric Mc said:

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

Completely agree.

Impossible to argue otherwise. What a disaster. They need to switch and REALLY ASAP as it’s fast approaching way too late.

Biden should have never agreed to debates. Trump is a bulldog and he was never going to come out on top. Being called a scaredy cat for not doing it would be way better than what happened.

[Bonefish Blues]

Unreal said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

There's time. There are candidates that beat Trump all day long even from a standing start (Newsom's long been my pick). Biden's the issue, he mustn't cling on.

I wouldn't disagree but will they get on and do it? I don't think it's that simple from a Dem politics perspective.

Jill Biden. She needs to get her guy to stand down now. The rest can be done.

[F1GTRUeno]

skwdenyer said:

Let’s be clear: when we talk about winners and losers, we’re discussing oratory.

Trump lied with impunity from beginning to end. He showed contempt for the legal system, contempt for the electoral system, contempt for the constitution. So much of what he said has me despairing for a US under a 2nd Trump presidency.

People don't want facts though do they? They want whatever they feel is the truth.

Trump spewing bullst that's easily proven false doesn't matter if people agree with him.

[g4ry13]

nordboy said:

Scrimpton said:

Jader1973 said:

All the need is to swap Biden out for a quick witted, intelligent 50 something and Trump would be buggered.

This is exactly the point. No matter how much the likes of Byker tell us not to believe our lyin' eyes, Biden is probably one of the few possible candidates who might lose to a clearly mental Trump.

Agreed, could you imagine Obama going up against Trump last night. He would have absolutely destroyed him. Saying that, Trump wouldn't have turned up if it was Obama.

Trump won't win this election, he'll be given it on a plate if Biden continues on like this. I very much dislike Trump, but I'm also not sure I would vote for Biden knowing he has another 4 yrs? Maybe as a Trump protest vote.

Really is a race to the bottom. Embarrassing.

You're not voting for Biden himself though. You're voting for the package and people pulling the strings for him behind the scenes.

I'm quite frankly astonished that the Biden decline has been in plain sight for years to see. Only now are people having to face the reality.

[911hope]

Tom8 said:

Perhaps Starmer and Sunak looks a great choice.

All this denial about Biden's fitness to serve I think was properly exposed. Can he step down? Can someone else take the nomination?

Trump? Well that is a whole different matter.

If Biden was replaced, would his campaign funding go to a new nominee?

[Bathroom_Security]

Byker28i said:

Then there's trump with his word salads - not sure what point he was trying to make

trump: All the things that we’ve done. Nobody has ever seen anything like it. Even from a medical standpoint, right to try where we can try space age materials instead of going to Asia
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806518204011016569

trump on his dementia, then they started talking about golf?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806514525191168132

Trump: I aced them
Biden: You can see he is six foot five and only 225 pounds. I'm happy to play golf with you if you carry your own bag. Think you can do it?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806515237748916714


Again how poor the moderators were - when asked what trump would do about childcare, they didn't hold him to the question. trumps response was "If he wins this election ... we probably won't have a country left anymore."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806511990698807322


trumps lie about insulin - actually pointless to do these as CNN has fact checked so many lies I'd be here all day with the clips
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806509444450361471

Global embarrassment.

[Unreal]

Bonefish Blues said:

Unreal said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

There's time. There are candidates that beat Trump all day long even from a standing start (Newsom's long been my pick). Biden's the issue, he mustn't cling on.

I wouldn't disagree but will they get on and do it? I don't think it's that simple from a Dem politics perspective.

Jill Biden. She needs to get her guy to stand down now. The rest can be done.

I do think that's simplistic. It will be rats in a sack fighting for the job. The Democrats are hardly a totally unified party and have factions like most others.

Edited by Unreal on Friday 28th June 09:34

[Scrimpton]

Byker28i said:

however I didn't think Bidens team prepared him for trump just consistently lying the who time, everything he said was a lie.

I'm sure they didn't prepare him for that, Trump lying must have been as surprising for them as it was for everyone else

[hairykrishna]

Trump spouting absolute bullst makes no difference either way to undecided voters. It's essentially expected at this point. I fear that Biden looking like he's got one foot in the grave will have a much larger impact.

I was worried that there would be a short clip of Biden stumbling or looking lost that the right wing media would pull out and repeat constantly. They're spoilt for choice today.