45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[Wheelspinning]

With the exception of the 12 or so hard core posters on here, that was an embarrassment for the the USA that Biden is an actual serving President.

I don't think there is a single news outlet that seems to have a different view.

I have no idea why certain posters were stating Trump would not turn up; this was always going to be a home run for him.

[Drezza]

Jesus, didn’t see the debate but have seen on twitter a video of Biden rambling making no sense, it’s like seeing someone with dementia, a very hard watch. Even Trump seemed to hold back in compassion.

What a sorry state of affairs they can’t even get a candidate with basic cognitive function, how can Biden’s family let him do this…

[Goaty Bill 2]

Drezza said:

Jesus, didn’t see the debate but have seen on twitter a video of Biden rambling making no sense, it’s like seeing someone with dementia, a very hard watch. Even Trump seemed to hold back in compassion.

What a sorry state of affairs they can’t even get a candidate with basic cognitive function, how can Biden’s family let him do this…

Quite simply; There is more than one greedy, lying, arrogant, self-deluded bd in the race.

[DanL]

hidetheelephants said:

This sums it up reasonably well.

Can’t disagree.

People vote on image in current times - Blair showed it, and it’s carried on since in my view. Trump looked and presented better than Biden. It’s not going to matter that nearly everything he says is a lie, he looks and sounds much better than Biden, and anyone even half switched on and on the other side of the debate should have been tackling Trumps lies and hitting talking points around his weak points rather than getting confused and lost.

That debate, based on the bits I’ve seen (and clearly in a 90 minute program I’ll have seen the best and worst bits, which may not be representative), was a disaster for Biden. They’ll be hammering that he’s too old and too confused to be president from now until November, and on that showing it’s hard to argue.

Given that there’s a section of voters that vote their party regardless, the dems need to find anyone even half acceptable to replace Joe. I can’t imagine Harris would be less electable than Biden at this point, and as VP should be well placed to swoop in and take over. I’m sure she’s got more energy and can string a sentence together, and could make Trump look like the fool he is.

[g4ry13]

I knew Trump would show up to the interview because it was an opportunity to expose Biden's decline.

If anything, i'm surprised that the Dems thought it would be a good idea to put Biden on the spot for 90 minutes like that and expect to come out looking good.

[Byker28i]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Drezza said:

Jesus, didn’t see the debate but have seen on twitter a video of Biden rambling making no sense, it’s like seeing someone with dementia, a very hard watch. Even Trump seemed to hold back in compassion.

What a sorry state of affairs they can’t even get a candidate with basic cognitive function, how can Biden’s family let him do this…

Quite simply; There is more than one greedy, lying, arrogant, self-deluded bd in the race.

Hum not as bad as that if you look at the clips above. But then the same few people dedicated are on here claiming it was a total disaster for Biden and a win for trump. I don't think anyone won, especially not the US.

Biden wasn't as dynamic as trump but never was going to be, however I didn't think Bidens team prepared him for trump just consistently lying the who time, everything he said was a lie. Biden had some counters but not enough, the Moderators were weak, almost as though they were responding to all the criticism from trumps team.

So rather looked like all the pre-debate spin was won by trumps team

[Byker28i]

Wheelspinning said:

With the exception of the 12 or so hard core posters on here, that was an embarrassment for the the USA that Biden is an actual serving President.

I don't think there is a single news outlet that seems to have a different view.

I have no idea why certain posters were stating Trump would not turn up; this was always going to be a home run for him.

And yet the same hard core trumpettes turn up....

You think the convicted felon, rapist, multiple sexual abuser, multiple fraudster, multiple bankrupt conman is the answer again for the US after such a disaster last time? And this time he's promising nothing but revenge against his perceived enemies and more profiteering from selling US policy for personal gain - again...

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 08:10

[Bonefish Blues]

Byker28i said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Drezza said:

Jesus, didn’t see the debate but have seen on twitter a video of Biden rambling making no sense, it’s like seeing someone with dementia, a very hard watch. Even Trump seemed to hold back in compassion.

What a sorry state of affairs they can’t even get a candidate with basic cognitive function, how can Biden’s family let him do this…

Quite simply; There is more than one greedy, lying, arrogant, self-deluded bd in the race.

Hum not as bad as that if you look at the clips above. But then the same few people dedicated are on here claiming it was a total disaster for Biden and a win for trump. I don't think anyone won, especially not the US.

Biden wasn't as dynamic as trump but never was going to be, however I didn't think Bidens team prepared him for trump just consistently lying the who time, everything he said was a lie. Biden had some counters but not enough, the Moderators were weak, almost as though they were responding to all the criticism from trumps team.

So rather looked like all the pre-debate spin was won by trumps team

I am not one of the 'dedicated few'. I watched it live. Trump won, but most importantly Biden appeared unfit for office.

His team had a whole week. They will have prepared him, Biden simply didn't have the acuity to respond during the debate format his own team selected for him (As a side note, kudos to Katty who called it as not being good for Biden)

[Unreal]

Byker28i said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Drezza said:

Jesus, didn’t see the debate but have seen on twitter a video of Biden rambling making no sense, it’s like seeing someone with dementia, a very hard watch. Even Trump seemed to hold back in compassion.

What a sorry state of affairs they can’t even get a candidate with basic cognitive function, how can Biden’s family let him do this…

Quite simply; There is more than one greedy, lying, arrogant, self-deluded bd in the race.

Hum not as bad as that if you look at the clips above. But then the same few people dedicated are on here claiming it was a total disaster for Biden and a win for trump. I don't think anyone won, especially not the US.

Biden wasn't as dynamic as trump but never was going to be, however I didn't think Bidens team prepared him for trump just consistently lying the who time, everything he said was a lie. Biden had some counters but not enough, the Moderators were weak, almost as though they were responding to all the criticism from trumps team.

So rather looked like all the pre-debate spin was won by trumps team

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

[Wheelspinning]

Byker28i said:

Wheelspinning said:

With the exception of the 12 or so hard core posters on here, that was an embarrassment for the the USA that Biden is an actual serving President.

I don't think there is a single news outlet that seems to have a different view.

I have no idea why certain posters were stating Trump would not turn up; this was always going to be a home run for him.

And yet the same hard core trumpettes turn up....

You think the convicted felon, rapist, multiple sexual abuser, multiple fraudster, multiple bankrupt conman is the answer again for the US after such a disaster last time? And this time he's promising nothing but revenge against his perceived enemies and more profiteering from selling US policy for personal gain - again...

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 08:10

Chin up Byker....if its any consolation, Biden shall wake up tomorrow and have no idea how shocking a display he gave.

Roll on the next debate.

[Byker28i]

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

You're need to think I hate trump rather blinkers your approach and you haven't read anything I've written. I don't think Biden gave a good performance although if you look at the clips it wasn't as terrible as you're trying to make out. Certainly the claims Biden would be jacked up with drugs seem to have disappeared

I don't think either won the debate. Biden gave proper answers but wasn't dynamic. trump was dynamic but lied about everything

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 08:19

[Bonefish Blues]

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

There's time. There are candidates that beat Trump all day long even from a standing start (Newsom's long been my pick). Biden's the issue, he mustn't cling on.

[gazza285]

Wheelspinning said:

Chin up Byker....if its any consolation, Biden shall wake up tomorrow and have no idea how shocking a display he gave.

Roll on the next debate.

Now that made me chuckle.

[thatsprettyshady]

Byker28i said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

You're need to think I hate trump rather blinkers your approach and you haven't read anything I've written

Then you need to extend the same courtesy to those on here who are labelled as Trump supporters and attacked when pointing out Biden failings.

[Unreal]

Byker28i said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

You're need to think I hate trump rather blinkers your approach and you haven't read anything I've written

As I said, you just can't accept that Biden's performance was appalling. It doesn't matter if his opponent was the devil incarnate. The devil came out of that debate better in the eyes of the vast majority of people.

[Eric Mc]

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

[Unreal]

Bonefish Blues said:

Unreal said:

I think you're in denial. Your hatred of Trump seems so visceral that you cannot bear to admit that the debate was a disaster for Biden. That's all people are saying. No-one is denying Trump's lies that I can see. It has nothing to do with any of his many other failings.

The current comments are focused on the debate and even traditionally pro Democrat outlets are acknowledging how badly that went. The Dems are now between a rock and a hard place with very little time to put things right.

There's time. There are candidates that beat Trump all day long even from a standing start (Newsom's long been my pick). Biden's the issue, he mustn't cling on.

I wouldn't disagree but will they get on and do it? I don't think it's that simple from a Dem politics perspective.

[S600BSB]

Eric Mc said:

Disaster for Biden.

He must step down.

Completely agree.

[Goaty Bill 2]

thatsprettyshady said:

Then you need to extend the same courtesy to those on here who are labelled as Trump supporters and attacked when pointing out Biden failings.

Without wishing to take a side on the personal aspect of that perspective; The US is in the same mess the UK is in, and probably we always have been, both here and there.
Both choices are bad. Trump/Hillary, Trump/Biden, Cameron/Miliband, Johnson/Corbin, Sunak/Starmer.

Criticism of one does not necessarily imply support for the other.
Mostly we vote for the least bad or against the one we despise the most.

[Wills2]

DanL said:

hidetheelephants said:

This sums it up reasonably well.

Can’t disagree.

People vote on image in current times - Blair showed it, and it’s carried on since in my view.

I agree he summed it up well, but on your point around image it's been about that for a long time, JFK proved that when he debated Nixon back in 1960.

It's not great that Biden is struggling but if I was in the US and had a vote I would still vote for him vs Trump, It'll come down to the undecided but the US appears to be very polarised so I wonder how many there are of them and what impact that swing will have in the states that matter?

Edited by Wills2 on Friday 28th June 08:39