45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
PinkHouse said:
LF5335 said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Despite thinking that someone living in London/West Sussex, as our pink friend appears to, having a favourable view of Trump is pretty bizarre, I do commend him for sticking around and arguing his case.
I’m not sure he is arguing his case though. He’s avoiding answering any question directly and just coming out with vague responses, such as “I admire some of his personality traits”, but when pressed to explain, he wafts it away with a “what’s the point?” style reply. The comment around the war and international relations as a whole is ridiculously poor. He somehow is arguing that Trump,will play world peacemaker. This is the guy who encouraged Russia to attack US allies, who wants to hand over Ukraine to Russian, the guy who sells highly classified US national security info to the highest bidder. He can’t be taken seriously and is just another bot, or “Own the libtards” right wing hardman.
Since you are such a stickler for detail:
How much in USD did Trump sell highly classified national security info for?
What specific info was sold?
Where was the auction held and via what channels? Who made the eventual purchase?
LF5335 said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Snopes finally fact checks “very fine people” lies.
No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People' - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-...
“Very fine people on both sides” so those actively supporting the white supremacists and Neo-Nazis who organised the Unite the Right rally are “very fine people”. Seems tenuous to me. No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People' - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-...
Interesting that you’ve jumped on this quickly. What is again that makes you a Trump supporter?
"For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore trump was wrong. "
LF5335 said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Snopes finally fact checks “very fine people” lies.
No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People' - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-...
“Very fine people on both sides” so those actively supporting the white supremacists and Neo-Nazis who organised the Unite the Right rally are “very fine people”. Seems tenuous to me. No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People' - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-...
Interesting that you’ve jumped on this quickly. What is again that makes you a Trump supporter?
“ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
Byker28i said:
Walter Ringfield, 27,was arrested for stealing election security equipment in Arizona's Maricopa County. He was a temporary worker for the counties upcoming primaries.
https://ktar.com/story/5577947/maricopa-county-ele...
Meidas Touch, claim to have identified that Ringfield has shut down most of his social media accounts, but posted screenshots of his account on Truth Social, where he has reportedly reposted content "from pro-trump MAGA accounts like The Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, The Babylon Bee, and Catturd."
https://meidasnews.com/news/individual-who-stole-e...
More details here.https://ktar.com/story/5577947/maricopa-county-ele...
Meidas Touch, claim to have identified that Ringfield has shut down most of his social media accounts, but posted screenshots of his account on Truth Social, where he has reportedly reposted content "from pro-trump MAGA accounts like The Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, The Babylon Bee, and Catturd."
https://meidasnews.com/news/individual-who-stole-e...
They found the missing keys in his car and the security fob at his home, whilst he is claiming he took them by mistake.
https://www.votebeat.org/arizona/2024/06/24/marico...
As Dr Candyman Ronny Jackson call for Biden to be drug tested, the House Ethics Committee has come out with two statements -one saying it is extending a review into allegations against Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Texas), and another one saying the same about Rep. Wesley Hunt (R-Texas), both spending campaign money inappropriately on private club membership
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/24/ronny-jack...
one of his tabs
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/24/ronny-jack...
one of his tabs
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 25th June 08:04
thatsprettyshady said:
Read the fact check fully, not just the parts that make you angry. There were plenty of people there just upset that a statue was being removed who didn’t identify as part of the extreme groups.
“ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
People objecting to the removal of a statue celebrating slavery enthusiast and insurrectionist Robert E Lee? Gosh, they must be lovely people, nothing problematic there at all. “ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
Violation of jail policy? Someone smuggled a camera in and recorded a podcast with maga jan 6 jailed convicts, allowing them to push conspiracy theories
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jan-6-prisoners...
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jan-6-prisoners...
hidetheelephants said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Read the fact check fully, not just the parts that make you angry. There were plenty of people there just upset that a statue was being removed who didn’t identify as part of the extreme groups.
“ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
People objecting to the removal of a statue celebrating slavery enthusiast and insurrectionist Robert E Lee? Gosh, they must be lovely people, nothing problematic there at all. “ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
“ You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did — you had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status, are we gonna take down — excuse me — are we gonna take down statues of George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay good. Are we gonna take down the statue? Cause he was a major slaveowner. Now are we gonna take down his statue? So you know what? It's fine. You're changing history, you're changing culture”
thatsprettyshady said:
Read the fact check fully, not just the parts that make you angry. There were plenty of people there just upset that a statue was being removed who didn’t identify as part of the extreme groups.
“ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
I read it, I read it in context and I understand exactly what he was saying. This is the guy who advised the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. “ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
It’s a strange hill to die on. What exactly is it that makes you want to be so committed to this point?
thatsprettyshady said:
More quote from what he said at the time:
“ You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did — you had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status, are we gonna take down — excuse me — are we gonna take down statues of George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay good. Are we gonna take down the statue? Cause he was a major slaveowner. Now are we gonna take down his statue? So you know what? It's fine. You're changing history, you're changing culture”
Whataboutism at its finest from Trump and you. “ You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did — you had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status, are we gonna take down — excuse me — are we gonna take down statues of George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay good. Are we gonna take down the statue? Cause he was a major slaveowner. Now are we gonna take down his statue? So you know what? It's fine. You're changing history, you're changing culture”
Neither Washington nor Jefferson took part in the civil war and I doubt anyone is labouring under the misapprehension that they didn't own slaves; both were of their era, pragmatists with awareness of the wrongness of slavery and a desire to avoid the slave states seceding or causing civil war. Each effort to remove a statue, rename a public building or park etc should be evaluated on its own merits.
LF5335 said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Read the fact check fully, not just the parts that make you angry. There were plenty of people there just upset that a statue was being removed who didn’t identify as part of the extreme groups.
“ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
I read it, I read it in context and I understand exactly what he was saying. This is the guy who advised the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. “ We looked into these claims, and found that while Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," meaning both the protesters and the counterprotesters, he also condemned neo-Nazis and white nationalists outright and said he was specifically referring to those who were there only to participate in the statue protest.”
Specific quote from Trump:
“ — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
It’s a strange hill to die on. What exactly is it that makes you want to be so committed to this point?
Fact check website goes against Trump - very good, no questioning and trusted as fact checking source
Fact check website actually backs up Trump - not correct, missed the point, wrong
Biden brings down inflation - very good, fantastic economic record
Biden inflation goes up - president has nothing to do with inflation
Poll favours Biden - Biden winning, doing so well
Poll favours Trump - Can't trust polls, polls are unreliable
Trump speech using "inflammatory" language at rally - Terrible, dogwhistle, incititng violence
Democrat uses incendiary language in an area where violent crime rate is double the national average - You just don't like the fact she is a woman
It's the hypocricy which is fascinating to me, and what keeps me coming back.
thatsprettyshady said:
Trump speech using "inflammatory" language at rally - Terrible, dogwhistle, incititng violence
Democrat uses incendiary language in an area where violent crime rate is double the national average - You just don't like the fact she is a woman
It's the hypocricy which is fascinating to me, and what keeps me coming back.
He literally wanted them to storm the Capitol and had been egging them on for weeks, which they did.Democrat uses incendiary language in an area where violent crime rate is double the national average - You just don't like the fact she is a woman
It's the hypocricy which is fascinating to me, and what keeps me coming back.
AOC did not want the people she was addressing to storm the Capitol.
More stolen valour
Troy Nehls told Journalist John Seward to ask the Army about his Combat Infantry Badge... So John did:
Army Confirms Troy Nehls Is Ineligible for the Combat Badge He Proudly Wears.
https://www.notus.org/house/army-confirms-troy-neh...
Troy Nehls told Journalist John Seward to ask the Army about his Combat Infantry Badge... So John did:
Army Confirms Troy Nehls Is Ineligible for the Combat Badge He Proudly Wears.
https://www.notus.org/house/army-confirms-troy-neh...
Kristina Karamo is asking the Court of Appeals to intervene and reinstall her as chairwoman of the Michigan GOP, less than a month before the Republican national convention and less than five months before the November presidential election.
trump supports her replacement, Pete Hoekstra. The court has already ruled she was properly removed from her role
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/202...
trump supports her replacement, Pete Hoekstra. The court has already ruled she was properly removed from her role
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/202...
thatsprettyshady said:
Becuase it's absolutely hilarious that depending on who we are talking about, the rules seem to change.
Fact check website goes against Trump - very good, no questioning and trusted as fact checking source
Fact check website actually backs up Trump - not correct, missed the point, wrong
Biden brings down inflation - very good, fantastic economic record
Biden inflation goes up - president has nothing to do with inflation
Poll favours Biden - Biden winning, doing so well
Poll favours Trump - Can't trust polls, polls are unreliable
Trump speech using "inflammatory" language at rally - Terrible, dogwhistle, incititng violence
Democrat uses incendiary language in an area where violent crime rate is double the national average - You just don't like the fact she is a woman
It's the hypocricy which is fascinating to me, and what keeps me coming back.
Except I haven’t said any of the stuff about Biden, so there’s no hypocrisy here. I’ve been clear that Biden isn’t the ideal candidate, he’s there to beat Trump and little else. I don’t know the details of his track record as President. However, I stand by my comment on your desperate straw clutching with AOC. She’s excessively passionate in that video you posted, but I didn’t see a mob marching to and storming The Capitol as a result. I didn’t hear or see any coded messages. Fact check website goes against Trump - very good, no questioning and trusted as fact checking source
Fact check website actually backs up Trump - not correct, missed the point, wrong
Biden brings down inflation - very good, fantastic economic record
Biden inflation goes up - president has nothing to do with inflation
Poll favours Biden - Biden winning, doing so well
Poll favours Trump - Can't trust polls, polls are unreliable
Trump speech using "inflammatory" language at rally - Terrible, dogwhistle, incititng violence
Democrat uses incendiary language in an area where violent crime rate is double the national average - You just don't like the fact she is a woman
It's the hypocricy which is fascinating to me, and what keeps me coming back.
Why are you so keen to defend Trump around his comments on the white supremacists? You’ve avoided answering that numerous times. Biden doesn’t go round complimenting both sides after a riot, he doesn’t defend racists. Trump does. What does that tell you?
Apologists for trump ramping up the excuses for the debate
trumps been playing golf as well as rally's in safe spaces, is notorious for not reading briefings and winging it, for spending his time tweeting or watching TV
Hence trying to downplay Biden taking his job seriously
trump yesterday
trumps been playing golf as well as rally's in safe spaces, is notorious for not reading briefings and winging it, for spending his time tweeting or watching TV
Hence trying to downplay Biden taking his job seriously
trump yesterday
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 25th June 09:52
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