45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[ScotHill]

If Trump doesn't show up, does Biden just get a solo stage?

[eldar]

PinkHouse said:

Is this essentially just a thread with one man's anti-Trump stream of consciousness?

In other news Trump is currently far ahead in the polls in every single battleground state, how does Biden realistically pull this back?

No, this thread is essentially discussing the merits or otherwise of premium unleaded fuel when used in a 2019 Golf GTI.

Trumps pro diesel stance may be popular with Golf GTD drivers, but doesn't do much for the more involved drivers.

[LF5335]

Byker28i said:

I'm in two minds because his advisors will have been telling him no, because it's not the safe controlled space he's had so far, but trumps ego won't let him refuse. He honestly thinks he can beat Biden in a debate, and if not it's fixed.

There's plenty of claims of fixed, Eric was claiming he wasn't debating Biden but CNN


So I think he'll go, not come out of it very well, but team trump will have all the spin prepared as to why trump actually won, how it was unfair, Biden was definitely on drugs, Biden cheated...

His advisers kept him off the stand in the trials, so they may still have some sway. I think the Eric comments are the build up to Trump withdrawing and claiming a big fix. ““I wanted to go on the stage and debate, but they gagged me” same line as with the trials.

[PinkHouse]

Byker28i said:

PinkHouse said:

Is this essentially just a thread with one man's anti-Trump stream of consciousness?

In other news Trump is currently far ahead in the polls in every single battleground state, how does Biden realistically pull this back?

Is this just another drive by st post or do you actually have something to offer and have you actually read anything, such as Rassmusen slewing polls to affect the aggregation sites like 538. Such as their recent putting convicted felon trump 10 points ahead?
The man who can only half fill a 10K capacity stadium?

trumps losing streak continues
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/06/20/b...

Fox poll put Biden 2 points ahead, so trump hand a massive rant
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4731614-trum...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-throws...

Morning Consult had a much larger sample, put Biden 1 point ahead.

Then we've the debate this week - if trump turns up. It'll be a car crash for trump, probably

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 24th June 07:55

Here it is straight from Real Clear Politics

Those numbers all look red to me unless I've suddenly become colourblind?



He's also ahead in the RCP general election aggregate poll, this might be the first year in 2 decades that the Republican wins the popular vote!

[PinkHouse]

You also mentioned 538, so here's some of their latest polls, all lean Red like the previous ones

[Byker28i]

PinkHouse said:

You also mentioned 538, so here's some of their latest polls, all lean Red like the previous ones

Try these for the full last weeks they looked at
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/preside...


Maybe if you chose better sources? RCP went heavily trump in 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/us/politics/rea...

"Overall, we rate Real Clear Politics as right-center biased based" - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-politics...

"Real Clear Politics was a “trusted, go-to source” for unbiased polling. The Trump era changed its tone — and funding sources."
https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/real-clear-polit...


Edit:
I think as previously mentioned several time, if you look at the polling for trumps primaries - it was always 10-20% optimistic for trump

He's not pulling in the faithful to his rallys playing to small crowds in safe spaces

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 24th June 09:52

[PinkHouse]

Byker28i said:

PinkHouse said:

You also mentioned 538, so here's some of their latest polls, all lean Red like the previous ones

Try these for the full last weeks they looked at
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/preside...


Maybe if you chose better sources? RCP went heavily trump in 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/us/politics/rea...

"Overall, we rate Real Clear Politics as right-center biased based" - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-politics...

"Real Clear Politics was a “trusted, go-to source” for unbiased polling. The Trump era changed its tone — and funding sources."
https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/real-clear-polit...



I think as previously mentioned several time, if you look at the polling for trumps primaries - it was always 10-20% optimistic for trump

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 24th June 09:51

How about a response to the battleground states where Trump is massively ahead and the election is actually decided? Or was that too much of a drive-by post for you to respond to?

RCP is not a pollster but a poll aggregator, so their leaning bears on effect

[RustyMX5]

PinkHouse said:

Here it is straight from Real Clear Politics

Those numbers all look red to me unless I've suddenly become colourblind?



He's also ahead in the RCP general election aggregate poll, this might be the first year in 2 decades that the Republican wins the popular vote!

Have a look at five thirty eight and use the 'State filters'. Apart from one state, they all show a much tighter race than RCP and in a couple of cases, they put Biden ahead.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/preside...

[Byker28i]

PinkHouse said:

How about a response to the battleground states where Trump is massively ahead and the election is actually decided? Or was that too much of a drive-by post for you to respond to?

RCP is not a pollster but a poll aggregator, so their leaning bears on effect

I've shown the reports of the bias RCP shows...

Axios had an article recently on the battleground states, showing the GOP being wiped out, whilst trump was ahead, but then trumps takeover of the RNC means noone else gets any money.
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/23/biden-trump-swing...

Note that these are based on polls from before trump was convicted. What that does show is that Biden has work to do and that the mud thrown by trump about his age is sticking a little.
GOP has always had a very good consistent messaging policy with all joining in to spread the same message - even if its false, lies etc.

Shall we see after the debate? trumps conviction has already lost him lots of support.

Whats your thought then on trump conviction, his multiple charges, his sexual assault and rape, and his offering of selling US policy for personal profit, multiple ethics violations for money, his mutiple sources on foreign income? Do you honestly think thats a worthy person to be President?

[Unreal]

Leaving aside the bickering and fortune telling, I hope the live debate goes ahead.

[Byker28i]

Unreal said:

Leaving aside the bickering and fortune telling, I hope the live debate goes ahead.

I think it will, I think they've left it too late now for trump to pull out without losing face, remember it was him claiming Biden wouldn't debate and he'd go anytime, anywhere.

This despite not doing any primary debates, would testify at his trials...

[Bonefish Blues]

+1, I also think it's a go. Will be looking for a live feed, but I don't think that TRiP/Americast are covering it live, they're starting after it's ended IIRC.

[dobbo_]

MAGA: Trump is a more powerful speaker than Obama.

Trump: “Where there’s so much water, you don’t know what to do with it. You know, it’s called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But uhhhhhh, no. Their idea. You know. Did you see the other day, they just put, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it. They close it. Washing machines to wash your dishes. There’s a problem. They don’t want you to have any water. They want no water…”

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/180469675994530...

[Byker28i]

Good opinion piece here - https://www.rawstory.com/thursday-debate/

"One of trump’s most successful ploys has been to frame the upcoming election as a contest between strength and weakness, and to convince many Americans that stridency and pugnacity are signs of strength while truth and humility signal weakness."

Goes on to point out that trump is the "vilest by far" and expands why.

"Character will not be debated Thursday night but I hope Americans who have not yet made up their minds or who are wavering in their support of Joe Biden will pay attention to it. Character is — must be — on the 2024 ballot."

[Slaav]

thatsprettyshady said:

Sort of, Byker does good work posting lots of things here - some of it is quite entertaining to read if a little one sided.

You will get accused of being a drive by poster if, after choosing not to respond when a gang of regular posters reply to you telling you you’re wrong, you decide it’s not worth it to carry on contributing. I’m here because it’s absolutely fascinating how this is all playing out.

I must say I like that last point. This is genuinely history in the making?

Byker’s efforts keeping this thread as up to date as possible could easily seem ‘strange’ or even possibly ‘obsessive’ but I, for one, am immensely grateful to him for doing so.

Thanks Byker and keep up the good work!

Ps - it is a shame that we don't have a more balanced view with some posters choosing to shoot and leave (misquoting that grammar book,) rather than hang around long enough to try and argue their case but I guess these is the ‘46’ thread for that?

[Byker28i]

Sunday panel discussion on CBS, Face the Nation had voter panel on, with host Margaret Brennan asking if trump or President Joe Biden could say anything at Thursday's debate to change their minds.

"Well, Trump already said he wanted to be a dictator",said one panelist. "That was enough for me.", whilst the trump supporter claimed you couldn't take trump literally. Basically if trump says anything they don't like they dismiss it...

[Byker28i]

Slaav said:

I must say I like that last point. This is genuinely history in the making?

I've said all along right from the start when trump started running we are living through a historical moment.

Who'd have thought the ultimate conman would be elected potus with the help of foreign nations, run the US into huge debt whilst taking foreign money and assistance, then when he lost, try a violent insurrection to stay in power. Most impeached, most indicted, the first US president tried and convicted of crimes with more trials pending...

And then wants to do it all again just to stay out of jail, or for personal profit, and some in the US think this is fine...

[matchmaker]

Byker28i said:

thatsprettyshady said:

You will get accused of being a drive by poster if, after choosing not to respond when a gang of regular posters reply to you telling you you’re wrong,

So I'm not allowed to defend myself against accusations? We get this all the time, especially when trumps in trouble. It's tiring all the constant attacks, snide remarks.

One sided? I post stuff about Dems being caught doing wrong, things that the GOP have done also, because it's just wrong - Menedez corruption fro one - although thats running slowly. Happy to report anything trump does good, such as banning bump stocks, however there's not mush around from the wannabe dictator /convicted felon desperate to stay out of jail

Happy to be proven wrong if that poster cares to come back and offer more, especially as his claims of trump polls has been rebutted.

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 24th June 09:05

I don't think thatsprettyshady was referring to you, Byker.

[Byker28i]

Opinion blog post by Democratic political strategist Simon Rosenberg, pointing out that trump is trying to bring other states into play, such as Minnesota, Virginia which Biden won by 7 points, shows trump doesn't feel safe in the swing states as the polls suggest, and Biden is gaining momentum

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/bidens-polling-...

[Byker28i]

matchmaker said:

I don't think thatsprettyshady was referring to you, Byker.

The original comment that shady was referring to was.