Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
carlo996 said:
Labour have already started. Hiking taxes for private schools and undermining apprenticeships to fund their new plans. It's standard Labour TBH, this is why most of their councils are f
ked already....
Councils are fked already....ked because funding has not kept pace with costs and the provision of adult and children’s social care has gone through the roof. It’s why ALL councils regardless of what rosette is running it is suffering.Again it’s a central government caused issue that councils across the land are trying to grapple with.
It’s funny how everything comes back to our inept government isn’t it? But you carry on voting blue as you’re too frightened to do anything else…
carlo996 said:
Labour have already started. Hiking taxes for private schools and undermining apprenticeships to fund their new plans. It's standard Labour TBH, this is why most of their councils are fked already....
The public seem to love it, they could afford to triple taxes for private schools it would actually improve their polling. ked already....As to apprenticeships, make the opportunities even harder = win win, apparently, going by the ‘unbiassed’ polling.
Garvin said:
The simple fact is the Conservatives will be swept out of power at the GE, I cannot believe anybody can really think otherwise. However, what will replace them will, in all probability, be no better and quite possibly worse. It really is that simple.
Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done fk all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.
I think there’s an element of “they need time in the wilderness” in order to find themselves again.Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done f
k all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.The Tories have lost their way, of that there is no doubt. They have poor leadership and a poor pool of possible replacements for him. Whatever happens to Rishi, it will be more of the same and the people are tired of it.
I think that even Tory voters what a change and a few years of introspection and rebuilding is no bad thing where they can come back reinvented and reinvigorated and ready for government once again.
Labour won’t do too much damage as the damage has already been done. Public services are all broken and we are generally rudderless at the moment so why not let them have a go? They won’t be able to fix everything and nor should we expect them to. No one is expecting unicorns and rainbows come the Labour victory but a period of calm and hopefully the laying of foundations of better public services all whilst the Tories go away, have their inevitable civil war and then come back stronger in four years time.
valiant said:
Garvin said:
The simple fact is the Conservatives will be swept out of power at the GE, I cannot believe anybody can really think otherwise. However, what will replace them will, in all probability, be no better and quite possibly worse. It really is that simple.
Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done fk all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.
I think there’s an element of “they need time in the wilderness” in order to find themselves again.Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done f
k all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.The Tories have lost their way, of that there is no doubt. They have poor leadership and a poor pool of possible replacements for him. Whatever happens to Rishi, it will be more of the same and the people are tired of it.
I think that even Tory voters what a change and a few years of introspection and rebuilding is no bad thing where they can come back reinvented and reinvigorated and ready for government once again.
Labour won’t do too much damage as the damage has already been done. Public services are all broken and we are generally rudderless at the moment so why not let them have a go? They won’t be able to fix everything and nor should we expect them to. No one is expecting unicorns and rainbows come the Labour victory but a period of calm and hopefully the laying of foundations of better public services all whilst the Tories go away, have their inevitable civil war and then come back stronger in four years time.
julian987R said:
At this stage I a convinced Labour could increase taxes massively, triple the cost of living, spend the entire gold reserves on helping Gaza, ban petrol, redefine by law what a woman is, harbour terrorists and reopen unlimited immigration and the country would still vote them in......unless, unless, anyone else get this feeling, that the approach to the polls are just so wildly biassed to the left.
What if it turns out the polls are true?valiant said:
carlo996 said:
Labour have already started. Hiking taxes for private schools and undermining apprenticeships to fund their new plans. It's standard Labour TBH, this is why most of their councils are fked already....
Councils are fked already....ked because funding has not kept pace with costs and the provision of adult and children’s social care has gone through the roof. It’s why ALL councils regardless of what rosette is running it is suffering.Again it’s a central government caused issue that councils across the land are trying to grapple with.
It’s funny how everything comes back to our inept government isn’t it? But you carry on voting blue as you’re too frightened to do anything else…
What exactly do you think Starmer & co are going to be able to do to overcome that that's going to make everything so much better?
valiant said:
Councils are fked because funding has not kept pace with costs and the provision of adult and children’s social care has gone through the roof. It’s why ALL councils regardless of what rosette is running it is suffering.
Again it’s a central government caused issue that councils across the land are trying to grapple with.
It’s funny how everything comes back to our inept government isn’t it? But you carry on voting blue as you’re too frightened to do anything else…
No, you need to look at how Labour decided to govern them, Weirdly the anomaly was one Corbynomics council.ked because funding has not kept pace with costs and the provision of adult and children’s social care has gone through the roof. It’s why ALL councils regardless of what rosette is running it is suffering.Again it’s a central government caused issue that councils across the land are trying to grapple with.
It’s funny how everything comes back to our inept government isn’t it? But you carry on voting blue as you’re too frightened to do anything else…
Garvin said:
The simple fact is the Conservatives will be swept out of power at the GE, I cannot believe anybody can really think otherwise. However, what will replace them will, in all probability, be no better and quite possibly worse. It really is that simple.
Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done fk all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.
Exactly right. Those rooting for the ‘Tories’ to be eviscerated and replaced by something better are as deluded as those hoping against hope that the Conservatives have a chance of being re-elected.
Now, has Starmer revived the the Labour Party, absolutely not - he’s done f
k all which is why we are all going to be horribly pissed off.borcy said:
julian987R said:
At this stage I a convinced Labour could increase taxes massively, triple the cost of living, spend the entire gold reserves on helping Gaza, ban petrol, redefine by law what a woman is, harbour terrorists and reopen unlimited immigration and the country would still vote them in......unless, unless, anyone else get this feeling, that the approach to the polls are just so wildly biassed to the left.
What if it turns out the polls are true?julian987R said:
borcy said:
julian987R said:
At this stage I a convinced Labour could increase taxes massively, triple the cost of living, spend the entire gold reserves on helping Gaza, ban petrol, redefine by law what a woman is, harbour terrorists and reopen unlimited immigration and the country would still vote them in......unless, unless, anyone else get this feeling, that the approach to the polls are just so wildly biassed to the left.
What if it turns out the polls are true?
NomduJour said:
Wombat3 said:
A central government that's raising more taxes than ever and still running a massive deficit as well.
What exactly do you think Starmer & co are going to be able to do to overcome that that's going to make everything so much better?
How broad are your shoulders?What exactly do you think Starmer & co are going to be able to do to overcome that that's going to make everything so much better?
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