Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[Janluke]

Byker28i said:

Nicola Sturgeon urged to apologise after leaked WhatsApp messages describing Matt Hancock as “Weaker than a nuns piss,” Liz Truss as “About as much use as a marzipan dildo,” and referring to Suella Braverman as “stler.”




Which linked to this voiceover
https://twitter.com/i/status/1750510344907137024

While in this case I don't agree with her terms, Politians ,like all of us, should be allowed full and frank discussion in private. We've all used earthy language to talk about customers, bosses, family members out of their earshot.

If she'd stood up at a press conference and said it fair enough but in private no issue

[CraigyMc]

Janluke said:

Byker28i said:

Nicola Sturgeon urged to apologise after leaked WhatsApp messages describing Matt Hancock as “Weaker than a nuns piss,” Liz Truss as “About as much use as a marzipan dildo,” and referring to Suella Braverman as “stler.”




Which linked to this voiceover
https://twitter.com/i/status/1750510344907137024

While in this case I don't agree with her terms, Politians ,like all of us, should be allowed full and frank discussion in private. We've all used earthy language to talk about customers, bosses, family members out of their earshot.

If she'd stood up at a press conference and said it fair enough but in private no issue

The line about Boris being a clown is real. The others are not, they are from a satirical @PoliticoForYou tweet that people have been taking at face value.
The term "marzipan dildo" is from The Thick Of It.


And yet I suspect many agree with it even if Sturgeon didn't whatsapp it.

[Composer62]

Some interesting observations ... ]

[leef44]

Evercross said:

sherman said:

JC KC is not holding back. Large rat trying to leave the ship as he knows the game is up. That trough is not going to fill itself
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He's so bloomin' transparent though. Blackford has a financial history that would make most Tories wince and would give Michelle Mone a run for her money, yet he got a free pass for decades because he hitched his wagon to Nationalism.

He was the CEO of a tax avoidance scheme just like the ones 'allegedly' run by Mone's husband. He profited from American arms sales to Saudi Arabia while making speeches decrying British arms sales to Saudi Arabia. He lobbied for an internet infrastructure company to receive Scottish Government contracts and then profited massively from their raised share value as a result.

And then let us not forget his gaslighting of Charles Kennedy.

None of this illegal of course, but the guy has a brass neck that makes Sturgeon look weak in comparison. Horrible human being. I am not one for wishing divine intervention on someone, but a massive heart attack would be a fitting self-inflicted end for this guy.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 24th January 10:16

So are you saying he has the right attributes for the next First Minister

[sherman]

leef44 said:

So are you saying he has the right attributes for the next First Minister

He would never leave the trough that is Westminster for lowly Holyrood.

[sherman]

Humzas goose is well and truly cooked this time.

[cuprabob]

sherman said:

Humzas goose is well and truly cooked this time.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Useless and Aamer Anwar were friends. Obviously not, going by that statement

[dxg]

Is it real?

It's not very "lawyerly."

[sherman]

dxg said:

Is it real?

It's not very "lawyerly."

Full statement
https://aameranwar.co.uk/news/press-statement-25th...

[sherman]

Question time is in Glasgow next Thursday.

Which SNP will be brave enough to go on the panel the day after Sturgeons covid enquiry apperance?

[A.J.M]

sherman said:

Question time is in Glasgow next Thursday.

Which SNP will be brave enough to go on the panel the day after Sturgeons covid enquiry apperance?

That’s a job for Dumza Useless.

A man of such integrity and intellect should make mincemeat of question time….

[Big Rod]

Composer62]Some interesting observations ... said:

Much as I hate to provide any qualification to the SNP's defence as I do think they're all 'at it', but Whatsapp applications are curious beasts.

I use it, (who doesn't?), and I use the app' on my Android 'phone and I use the browser version on my computer. This works fine and I find that the two keep in sync'. However, I did try the Whatsapp Windows app' a wee while ago and found that if I deleted messages, they aren't necessarily removed from the Android or browser versions.

Now, this may be nothing as I don't think the Windows app' was available during Covid but it does put a '?' over my head.

That all said, I find it quite implausible that there isn't some record of the supposedly deleted conversations somewhere. I have borne witness to SMS messages being resurrected from years past and in my line of business, most reputable organisations either wilfully or are required to (through legal or compliancy requirements) retain interaction recordings and transcripts for substantial periods of time.

Still stinks though.

[Glasgowrob]

Big Rod said:

Much as I hate to provide any qualification to the SNP's defence as I do think they're all 'at it', but Whatsapp applications are curious beasts.

I use it, (who doesn't?), and I use the app' on my Android 'phone and I use the browser version on my computer. This works fine and I find that the two keep in sync'. However, I did try the Whatsapp Windows app' a wee while ago and found that if I deleted messages, they aren't necessarily removed from the Android or browser versions.

Now, this may be nothing as I don't think the Windows app' was available during Covid but it does put a '?' over my head.

That all said, I find it quite implausible that there isn't some record of the supposedly deleted conversations somewhere. I have borne witness to SMS messages being resurrected from years past and in my line of business, most reputable organisations either wilfully or are required to (through legal or compliancy requirements) retain interaction recordings and transcripts for substantial periods of time.

Still stinks though.

oh there most likely is a record on Metas servers, BUT

whatsapp messages use end to end encryption meaning what they hold is useless gibberish. i'm sure with both devices and their installed versions of whatsapp a team of skilled software engineers and a few million quid they could be pulled up but whilst its technically feasible with all the ducks in a row its not feasible.

[Big Rod]

Glasgowrob said:

oh there most likely is a record on Metas servers, BUT

whatsapp messages use end to end encryption meaning what they hold is useless gibberish. i'm sure with both devices and their installed versions of whatsapp a team of skilled software engineers and a few million quid they could be pulled up but whilst its technically feasible with all the ducks in a row its not feasible.

Also true and a fair point but (and I know I'm oversimplifying it), wouldn't you just need the key? (Yeah, I know it probably changes randomly.)

Edited by Big Rod on Friday 26th January 08:54

[fat80b]

Janluke said:

If she'd stood up at a press conference and said it fair enough but in private no issue

I don’t know about this. I would say that it’s not OK (or sensible) to put things like this down in words anywhere ( as any fool knows nothing is ever properly private).

If for example it was done in a corporate environment, and somebody said such words on a WhatsApp group, could they / would they get in trouble? Of course they could and we’ve seen corporate cases where it has.

It’s just common sense not to write things like this down about anyone especially in a channel where the other person could then share out.

I live by the social media idea of “don’t write anything down that you wouldn’t want projected on the side of a building” and if I was a politician, I would take it doubly seriously!

I would suggest that anyone who writes such nastiness down in an informal message is both lacking in intelligence and showing us the true content of their character…

It’s in the same boat as people who share pictures of their junk to each other. Don’t be so stoopid…….

[fat80b]

Big Rod said:

Glasgowrob said:

oh there most likely is a record on Metas servers, BUT

whatsapp messages use end to end encryption meaning what they hold is useless gibberish. i'm sure with both devices and their installed versions of whatsapp a team of skilled software engineers and a few million quid they could be pulled up but whilst its technically feasible with all the ducks in a row its not feasible.

Also true and a fair point but (and I know I'm oversimplifying it), wouldn't you just need the key? (Yeah, I know it probably changes randomly.)

Edited by Big Rod on Friday 26th January 08:54

fat80b said:

Slightly off topic, but an interesting aside nonetheless:

I don't believe that is how Whatsapp works. In that even if there was a legal way to compel it, my understanding (from the tech side of things) is that Meta don't actually store long term backups of your (encrypted) messages. i.e. All of Nicola's deleted (and not yet deleted) Whatsapps aren't sat on some server somewhere . And if they were manually deleted by both users from both users' phones, then the content no longer exists.

I believe that Whatsapp only actually stores everything on the two users' phones (once messages have been delivered). In the case of a message being sent and not yet received, WA store it for a short amount of time whilst they try to deliver the message (something like a couple of weeks) . If it doesn't get delivered (e.g. because the receving device is off etc), then the message gets quietly dropped and not retained.

Even if Meta did keep a backup of the messages (which they don't) then they were all end to end encrypted anyway (a very good thing imho) which means that even if there was a backup, it is not actually useful to anyone as the encryption means that the only two devices that can decrypt the messages are the sending and receiving ones..

The thing that Meta do store (aiui) is the metadata (no pun intended) - This would likely show how many messages were sent, who they were sent to, perhaps how long they were, when they were deleted etc;- While not the smoking gun, it may demonstrate indirectly that the claim of "I didn't conduct business on Whatsapp" to be another Lie.....

[CivicDuties]

Janluke said:

Byker28i said:

Nicola Sturgeon urged to apologise after leaked WhatsApp messages describing Matt Hancock as “Weaker than a nuns piss,” Liz Truss as “About as much use as a marzipan dildo,” and referring to Suella Braverman as “stler.”




Which linked to this voiceover
https://twitter.com/i/status/1750510344907137024

While in this case I don't agree with her terms, Politians ,like all of us, should be allowed full and frank discussion in private. We've all used earthy language to talk about customers, bosses, family members out of their earshot.

If she'd stood up at a press conference and said it fair enough but in private no issue

It's fake.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24075288.covid-i...

[Janluke]

CivicDuties said:

Janluke said:

Byker28i said:

Nicola Sturgeon urged to apologise after leaked WhatsApp messages describing Matt Hancock as “Weaker than a nuns piss,” Liz Truss as “About as much use as a marzipan dildo,” and referring to Suella Braverman as “stler.”




Which linked to this voiceover
https://twitter.com/i/status/1750510344907137024

While in this case I don't agree with her terms, Politians ,like all of us, should be allowed full and frank discussion in private. We've all used earthy language to talk about customers, bosses, family members out of their earshot.

If she'd stood up at a press conference and said it fair enough but in private no issue

It's fake.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24075288.covid-i...

Yes I admit I didnt realise it was fake until shortly after posting but my thoughts still stand.

[Klippie]

A.J.M said:

sherman said:

Question time is in Glasgow next Thursday.

Which SNP will be brave enough to go on the panel the day after Sturgeons covid enquiry apperance?

That’s a job for Dumza Useless.

A man of such integrity and intellect should make mincemeat of question time….

I'd start paying my license fee again just to watch this one thing...it would be car crash TV of the highest order.

[irc]

Klippie said:

A.J.M said:

sherman said:

Question time is in Glasgow next Thursday.

Which SNP will be brave enough to go on the panel the day after Sturgeons covid enquiry apperance?

That’s a job for Dumza Useless.

A man of such integrity and intellect should make mincemeat of question time….

I'd start paying my license fee again just to watch this one thing...it would be car crash TV of the highest order.

Kate Forbes must be sitting up north laughing like fk that Humza is having to deal with all this stshow. He had the chance to come in an be the new broom and blame it all on the Sturgeon era but he blew it.

Although he had been part of thr Sturgeon govt the big decisions were all taken by the Sturgeon clique not the cabinet.