“National Conservatism”

[pequod]

TTwiggy said:

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

Dear boy, I'm not here to stroke my beard or to score points.

I'm merely offering an opinion as a member of PH, whether that is acceptable or not in NP&E, is neither here nor there, yet debate is important doncha think?

[TTwiggy]

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

Dear boy, I'm not here to stroke my beard or to score points.

I'm merely offering an opinion as a member of PH, whether that is acceptable or not in NP&E, is neither here nor there, yet debate is important doncha think?

Ok then, here's a thought experiment. With the benefit of hindsight, had it been possible to stop Hitler and his gang around about 1934-5, do you think life might have been rather better for a large number of people?

[Rivenink]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Eric Mc said:

Can you explain to me, what the difference is between an ordinary "Conservative" and a "National Conservative"?

I don't own the terms, and there's no catch all definition as far as I know. My take on it would be that national conservatism has a greater emphasis on the nation as a political and social unit where as mainstream conservatism as represented by the current centre right are apparently comfortable with a much higher degree of internationalism. What do you think?

Seems to me that they're a bunch of religious extremists who want to force others to live a prescribed lifestyle using Government policy and law.

What they call themselves matters not. A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.

[cirian75]

Jesus, this makes grim reading

Their "principles"

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1658513414...

https://twitter.com/neillhope/status/1658515683297...

These NatCs are an American import using UK useful idiots

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Lots of stupidness here, but they seem to have hit a nerve. I wonder if it's the idea of a society which reproduces or one that has a religion which grates the most?

They're a nationalist conservative think tank. What sort of views would anyone expect them to hold?

[bitchstewie]

Eight pages on these assholes special little club.

Bloody hell.

[cirian75]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Lots of stupidness here, but they seem to have hit a nerve. I wonder if it's the idea of a society which reproduces or one that has a religion which grates the most?

They're a nationalist conservative think tank. What sort of views would anyone expect them to hold?

They actually an USA think tank using local UK useful idiots

[gregs656]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Lots of stupidness here, but they seem to have hit a nerve. I wonder if it's the idea of a society which reproduces or one that has a religion which grates the most?

They're a nationalist conservative think tank. What sort of views would anyone expect them to hold?

No one is buying what you're selling.

[pequod]

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

Dear boy, I'm not here to stroke my beard or to score points.

I'm merely offering an opinion as a member of PH, whether that is acceptable or not in NP&E, is neither here nor there, yet debate is important doncha think?

Ok then, here's a thought experiment. With the benefit of hindsight, had it been possible to stop Hitler and his gang around about 1934-5, do you think life might have been rather better for a large number of people?

Sadly, the Beetle wouldn't have been developed and the fabulous, rear-engined, machines which derived their existence from that volks wagen would be unknown, and we would be still driving something or other from Morris or possibly a GAZ-M20 Pobeda?

[otolith]

cirian75 said:

They actually an USA think tank using local UK useful idiots

Including keynote speeches from two cabinet ministers and one recent cabinet minister and speeches from three MPs.

[deckster]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

They're a nationalist conservative think tank. What sort of views would anyone expect them to hold?

I actually couldn't care less what a bunch of American religious extremists think. It's not like they're especially unusual.

What does concern me is that they are sponsoring a set of high-profile UK politicians and that unless we make sure their agenda is fully exposed, people might think that they're just a moderately right-wing concern like UKIP.

[Gary C]

pequod said:

Gary C said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Sounds a bit like errm nationalism and conservatism to me, cunningly hidden behind the name National Conservatism. Do you really think such ideas are wildly outside the range of acceptable views?

Range of views, of course

Range of acceptable views, now that's a different question and for myself in the UK, yes they seem widely outside my range of acceptable views

Should they be banned from expressing these views?

Now there's a question.

I would always tend to say no, they should not be banned.

[TTwiggy]

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

Dear boy, I'm not here to stroke my beard or to score points.

I'm merely offering an opinion as a member of PH, whether that is acceptable or not in NP&E, is neither here nor there, yet debate is important doncha think?

Ok then, here's a thought experiment. With the benefit of hindsight, had it been possible to stop Hitler and his gang around about 1934-5, do you think life might have been rather better for a large number of people?

Sadly, the Beetle wouldn't have been developed and the fabulous, rear-engined, machines which derived their existence from that volks wagen would be unknown, and we would be still driving something or other from Morris or possibly a GAZ-M20 Pobeda?

While on the flip side, 6 million Jews plus an awful lot of other 'lesser people' wouldn't have been murdered. So, swings and roundabouts eh?

[smn159]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

they seem to have hit a nerve.

That does seem to have become the default argument of apologists for culture war stupidity.

Deserves an NP&E bingo entry

[otolith]

I think the Tories have the same problem with these people that Labour had with Militant Tendency, and will end up having to do the same thing about it.

[pequod]

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

Dear boy, I'm not here to stroke my beard or to score points.

I'm merely offering an opinion as a member of PH, whether that is acceptable or not in NP&E, is neither here nor there, yet debate is important doncha think?

Ok then, here's a thought experiment. With the benefit of hindsight, had it been possible to stop Hitler and his gang around about 1934-5, do you think life might have been rather better for a large number of people?

Sadly, the Beetle wouldn't have been developed and the fabulous, rear-engined, machines which derived their existence from that volks wagen would be unknown, and we would be still driving something or other from Morris or possibly a GAZ-M20 Pobeda?

While on the flip side, 6 million Jews plus an awful lot of other 'lesser people' wouldn't have been murdered. So, swings and roundabouts eh?

Ah, you wish to conflate!

Btw, the British saved the Beetle factory, so it's our fault!

Cheerio...

[GetCarter]

Nailed...

https://www.globalplayer.com/podcasts/episodes/7Dr...

[dudleybloke]

Have they decided on a shirt colour yet?

[pequod]

GetCarter said:

Nailed...

https://www.globalplayer.com/podcasts/episodes/7Dr...

'Fruitcakes'!

Do we also label the ScotNats similarly?

[oyster]

The biggest irony is seeing people who often bang on about freedom, now espousing the views of ultra-restriction fanatics.

Immigration is one thing, but these people are homophobes, which makes them scum.