Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5

Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5

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borcy

3,430 posts

59 months

Saturday
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https://x.com/PeurAvion/status/1806995235739664524...


Unconfirmed rumours f16s are operating over Ukraine.

SlimJim16v

5,816 posts

146 months

Saturday
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borcy said:
https://x.com/PeurAvion/status/1806995235739664524...
Unconfirmed rumours f16s are operating over Ukraine.
Google translation -
I had rumors but that's it, first strike made by an F16 and confirmed by a direct contact in the International Legion. We are finally there.

pingu393

8,194 posts

208 months

Saturday
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SlimJim16v said:
borcy said:
https://x.com/PeurAvion/status/1806995235739664524...
Unconfirmed rumours f16s are operating over Ukraine.
Google translation -
I had rumors but that's it, first strike made by an F16 and confirmed by a direct contact in the International Legion. We are finally there.

sisu

2,661 posts

176 months

Saturday
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Its worth noting that Ukraine have "allegedly" taken out the 70m Crimean deep space network dish in Yevpatoria here in the picture. The only others Russia have are a
-64-meter antenna at Bear Lakes, near Moscow.
-64-meter antenna at Kalyazin, just north of Moscow,
-70-meter antenna at Galenki near Ussuriisk, in Primorsky Krai in the very east of Russia above Vladivostok.

The 5th 70-meter antenna on the Suffa plateau in Uzbekistan was never completed as the soviet collapsed. Although there was a 2 year plan to restart it in 2018, things never got started due to covid.

Without these Russia has no independent way to communicate with its satellites and therefore no way to sell North Korea anything either. So if Bear Lakes and Kalyazin are taken out, they have only Galenki and without GPS its very hard to target just using inertia guideance should you want to nuke a target as you are doing it manually pre GPS which is militarily speaking before 1970s.

Other than guiding your ICBMs this puts you back to the 70s for everything else too.

Cheib

23,407 posts

178 months

Saturday
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borcy said:
https://x.com/PeurAvion/status/1806995235739664524...


Unconfirmed rumours f16s are operating over Ukraine.
Telegraph said during the week they’d heard F16’s were imminent.

Digga

40,665 posts

286 months

sisu said:


Its worth noting that Ukraine have "allegedly" taken out the 70m Crimean deep space network dish in Yevpatoria here in the picture. The only others Russia have are a
-64-meter antenna at Bear Lakes, near Moscow.
-64-meter antenna at Kalyazin, just north of Moscow,
-70-meter antenna at Galenki near Ussuriisk, in Primorsky Krai in the very east of Russia above Vladivostok.

The 5th 70-meter antenna on the Suffa plateau in Uzbekistan was never completed as the soviet collapsed. Although there was a 2 year plan to restart it in 2018, things never got started due to covid.

Without these Russia has no independent way to communicate with its satellites and therefore no way to sell North Korea anything either. So if Bear Lakes and Kalyazin are taken out, they have only Galenki and without GPS its very hard to target just using inertia guideance should you want to nuke a target as you are doing it manually pre GPS which is militarily speaking before 1970s.

Other than guiding your ICBMs this puts you back to the 70s for everything else too.
Interesting and, if true, significant. Whacking key infrastructure is something Ukraine have already proven adept at, as opposed to Russia’s blind lobbing of ordnance in the general direction of towns and cities and, sadly, civilians.

ecsrobin

17,452 posts

168 months

Digga said:
sisu said:


Its worth noting that Ukraine have "allegedly" taken out the 70m Crimean deep space network dish in Yevpatoria here in the picture. The only others Russia have are a
-64-meter antenna at Bear Lakes, near Moscow.
-64-meter antenna at Kalyazin, just north of Moscow,
-70-meter antenna at Galenki near Ussuriisk, in Primorsky Krai in the very east of Russia above Vladivostok.

The 5th 70-meter antenna on the Suffa plateau in Uzbekistan was never completed as the soviet collapsed. Although there was a 2 year plan to restart it in 2018, things never got started due to covid.

Without these Russia has no independent way to communicate with its satellites and therefore no way to sell North Korea anything either. So if Bear Lakes and Kalyazin are taken out, they have only Galenki and without GPS its very hard to target just using inertia guideance should you want to nuke a target as you are doing it manually pre GPS which is militarily speaking before 1970s.

Other than guiding your ICBMs this puts you back to the 70s for everything else too.
Interesting and, if true, significant. Whacking key infrastructure is something Ukraine have already proven adept at, as opposed to Russia’s blind lobbing of ordnance in the general direction of towns and cities and, sadly, civilians.
I believe someone provided a source earlier in the week.

isaldiri

19,003 posts

171 months

MBBlat said:
It might actually prompt military cooperation between Japan and South Korea that doesn’t have to go via the US.

There are a lot of historical reasons, some within living memory, why the South Koreans don’t really trust the Japanese. Both however are strong allies of the US.
That historic dislike which tbh I’d probably use a rather stronger word Isn’t going to change anytime soon until and unless the japanese leadership has a miraculous change of heart in accepting past wrongs. That’s also something that the chinese who similarly suffered can and will quite easily try to play on Korean grievances.

Digga

40,665 posts

286 months

isaldiri said:
MBBlat said:
It might actually prompt military cooperation between Japan and South Korea that doesn’t have to go via the US.

There are a lot of historical reasons, some within living memory, why the South Koreans don’t really trust the Japanese. Both however are strong allies of the US.
That historic dislike which tbh I’d probably use a rather stronger word Isn’t going to change anytime soon until and unless the japanese leadership has a miraculous change of heart in accepting past wrongs. That’s also something that the chinese who similarly suffered can and will quite easily try to play on Korean grievances.
Having spent a good deal of time working with Korean engineers, back in 90’s, I could not agree more. The rift with Japan appears stronger even, than that between Greece and Turkey.

BikeBikeBIke

8,526 posts

118 months

ecsrobin said:
Digga said:
sisu said:


Its worth noting that Ukraine have "allegedly" taken out the 70m Crimean deep space network dish in Yevpatoria here in the picture. The only others Russia have are a
-64-meter antenna at Bear Lakes, near Moscow.
-64-meter antenna at Kalyazin, just north of Moscow,
-70-meter antenna at Galenki near Ussuriisk, in Primorsky Krai in the very east of Russia above Vladivostok.

The 5th 70-meter antenna on the Suffa plateau in Uzbekistan was never completed as the soviet collapsed. Although there was a 2 year plan to restart it in 2018, things never got started due to covid.

Without these Russia has no independent way to communicate with its satellites and therefore no way to sell North Korea anything either. So if Bear Lakes and Kalyazin are taken out, they have only Galenki and without GPS its very hard to target just using inertia guideance should you want to nuke a target as you are doing it manually pre GPS which is militarily speaking before 1970s.

Other than guiding your ICBMs this puts you back to the 70s for everything else too.
Interesting and, if true, significant. Whacking key infrastructure is something Ukraine have already proven adept at, as opposed to Russia’s blind lobbing of ordnance in the general direction of towns and cities and, sadly, civilians.
I believe someone provided a source earlier in the week.
I posted a video of Peter Zeihan discussing the implications. I'd call that a reliable source.

pingu393

8,194 posts

208 months

borcy said:
Properly trained soldiers are neat and tidy to the point of OCD. Personal hygiene is paramount. Even without bottled water, a British soldier would be able to safely survive in Ukraine.

Boil and distil if you have to.

Ruzzian soldiers are mingers.

BikeBikeBIke

8,526 posts

118 months

pingu393 said:
Properly trained soldiers are neat and tidy to the point of OCD. Personal hygiene is paramount. Even without bottled water, a British soldier would be able to safely survive in Ukraine.

Boil and distil if you have to.

Ruzzian soldiers are mingers.
Does it suggest officers aren't visting their men for fear of getting fragged? Or just aren't visiting.

borcy

3,430 posts

59 months

Most armies have outbreaks of disease at times, it's what you do about it. It'll be interesting to see if it becomes army wide or at least across a whole part of the front.

sisu

2,661 posts

176 months

Tax increases in Russia have been implemented, no surprises over where they are spending it. But its telling to see how their "high income earners" are being taxed. They are now around £1000 a month as what would have been £2000 due to inflation and other aspects has meant someone earning £1000/month in Russia at the moment is doing well.

But this is also a reflection of where the economy is going and how they can't fudge reality as they are short of money overall. This increase in tax is also suffocating the economy.

This also illustrates how poor Russia is at the moment and also how its going to look over the coming years. As paying people to die is expensive.

Catweazle

1,374 posts

145 months

BikeBikeBIke said:
pingu393 said:
Properly trained soldiers are neat and tidy to the point of OCD. Personal hygiene is paramount. Even without bottled water, a British soldier would be able to safely survive in Ukraine.

Boil and distil if you have to.

Ruzzian soldiers are mingers.
Does it suggest officers aren't visting their men for fear of getting fragged? Or just aren't visiting.
It suggests a lack of NCOs to enforce discipline.

pingu393

8,194 posts

208 months

BikeBikeBIke said:
pingu393 said:
Properly trained soldiers are neat and tidy to the point of OCD. Personal hygiene is paramount. Even without bottled water, a British soldier would be able to safely survive in Ukraine.

Boil and distil if you have to.

Ruzzian soldiers are mingers.
Does it suggest officers aren't visting their men for fear of getting fragged? Or just aren't visiting.
Fair point. That could be the root cause. Lack of rank structure.

IIRC, it was suggested that RUS soldiers have 15 privates to one lance corporal. With us it's three to one.

borcy

3,430 posts

59 months

I don't think the Russians really have an NCO system like many other countries. More lots of junior officers and various types of private soldier.

gruffalo

7,561 posts

229 months

ecsrobin said:
Digga said:
sisu said:


Its worth noting that Ukraine have "allegedly" taken out the 70m Crimean deep space network dish in Yevpatoria here in the picture. The only others Russia have are a
-64-meter antenna at Bear Lakes, near Moscow.
-64-meter antenna at Kalyazin, just north of Moscow,
-70-meter antenna at Galenki near Ussuriisk, in Primorsky Krai in the very east of Russia above Vladivostok.

The 5th 70-meter antenna on the Suffa plateau in Uzbekistan was never completed as the soviet collapsed. Although there was a 2 year plan to restart it in 2018, things never got started due to covid.

Without these Russia has no independent way to communicate with its satellites and therefore no way to sell North Korea anything either. So if Bear Lakes and Kalyazin are taken out, they have only Galenki and without GPS its very hard to target just using inertia guideance should you want to nuke a target as you are doing it manually pre GPS which is militarily speaking before 1970s.

Other than guiding your ICBMs this puts you back to the 70s for everything else too.
Interesting and, if true, significant. Whacking key infrastructure is something Ukraine have already proven adept at, as opposed to Russia’s blind lobbing of ordnance in the general direction of towns and cities and, sadly, civilians.
I believe someone provided a source earlier in the week.
That dish looks like 1070's techmology!

Modern systems are much smaller, your mobile recieves data from space quie happily while in your house.

eharding

13,871 posts

287 months

gruffalo said:
That dish looks like 1070's techmology!

Modern systems aremuchsmaller, yourmobile recievesdata from space quie happily while in yourhouse.
Apparently they're not *quite* there when it comes to data integrity though.