Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
Discussion
RabidGranny said:
sisu said:
isaldiri said:
Aren't you slightly conflating different things?
The above per your post are the new EU sanctions regarding EU entities access to the russian central bank's SPFS system plus some stuff targeting LNG facilities. The earlier post had referenced Bank of China (a private company) stopping yuan related transactions and the possible impact of that.
European sanctions cover different aspects, the LNG and the American ones focus on banking, closing the loopholes of just paying money thru a Hong Kong Bank account, to a Kyrgyzstan company that ships it to Russia. The above per your post are the new EU sanctions regarding EU entities access to the russian central bank's SPFS system plus some stuff targeting LNG facilities. The earlier post had referenced Bank of China (a private company) stopping yuan related transactions and the possible impact of that.
I haven't had enough time to go thru it completely and look at how it effects companies or sectors. But this makes things very poisonous overall. Yes they could do more and they will, but this hit at the moment is heavy as they have no reserves.
https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/06/26/v-tsb-zayavi...
For those that don't read Russian...he said..
"What happened to us yesterday, unpopular, I don't know ..swaps including Central Banks, some clearing systems, the use of Crypto everything needs to be tested and tried as quickly as possible. Because if there is no normal payments for products related to foreign activity, for our export and import dependent country, that is simple, its Death"
So lets see how this goes in July.
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pingu393 said:
I conclude from the above, that you believe NATO are to blame, because they didn't allow Ukraine to join.
I wonder if this is what Putin means when he blames NATO?
An interesting argument, and one that I could be persuaded by.
And we can blame Edward Grey for WW1 because he was a bit mealy mouthed. Deploy a selective blindness regarding all the other, keenly bellicose actors and it all hangs together I wonder if this is what Putin means when he blames NATO?
An interesting argument, and one that I could be persuaded by.
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Had Ukraine been unequivocally western leaning from the get-go and keen to join, as the Baltics were, then it absolutely should have been admitted.
Russian sensitivity? That only exists in regard to the foiling of their hegemonic ambitions. So balls to those sensitivities.
AlexIT said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
warp9 said:
I'd be surprised if that's an SSBN. I suspect it's one of the boats converted to SSGN role. Odd decision if it is.
EDIT: Forgot link: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-nuclear-submari...
She's an old boat so maybe not far off end of service.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
AlexIT said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
warp9 said:
I'd be surprised if that's an SSBN. I suspect it's one of the boats converted to SSGN role. Odd decision if it is.
EDIT: Forgot link: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-nuclear-submari...
She's an old boat so maybe not far off end of service.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Odd decision as it's gifting its acoustic signature to Ru.
Or the US Navy might just have though of this, and Tennessee and accompanying vessels are pumping several hundred kilowatts of non-stop Motörhead into the water as well as having a heavily amplified and energetic Mariachi band wearing steel clogs playing in the sub's engine compartment.eharding said:
Or the US Navy might just have though of this, and Tennessee and accompanying vessels are pumping several hundred kilowatts of non-stop Motörhead into the water as well as having a heavily amplified and energetic Mariachi band wearing steel clogs playing in the sub's engine compartment.
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I pictured some random russian navy guy at the sonar listening to a Maiachi band and almost spilled the coffee
Hey tovaritsch, the yankees must have put some new screws on their subs
AlexIT said:
eharding said:
Or the US Navy might just have though of this, and Tennessee and accompanying vessels are pumping several hundred kilowatts of non-stop Motörhead into the water as well as having a heavily amplified and energetic Mariachi band wearing steel clogs playing in the sub's engine compartment.
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I pictured some random russian navy guy at the sonar listening to a Maiachi band and almost spilled the coffee
Hey tovaritsch, the yankees must have put some new screws on their subs
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eharding said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Odd decision as it's gifting its acoustic signature to Ru.
Or the US Navy might just have though of this, and Tennessee and accompanying vessels are pumping several hundred kilowatts of non-stop Motörhead into the water as well as having a heavily amplified and energetic Mariachi band wearing steel clogs playing in the sub's engine compartment.crofty1984 said:
eharding said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Odd decision as it's gifting its acoustic signature to Ru.
Or the US Navy might just have though of this, and Tennessee and accompanying vessels are pumping several hundred kilowatts of non-stop Motörhead into the water as well as having a heavily amplified and energetic Mariachi band wearing steel clogs playing in the sub's engine compartment.Edited by Digga on Thursday 27th June 17:45
AmyRichardson said:
pingu393 said:
Russia could move it's influence west using honey, but it decides to always use vinegar. Nobody would join NATO unless they felt threatened.
Guess which country is the root cause of NATO's "expansion", Mr Putin? Did your mummy not tell you to play nice, or you won't have any friends?
In a very immediate sense NATO's Eastern Flank did cause *this* conflict.Guess which country is the root cause of NATO's "expansion", Mr Putin? Did your mummy not tell you to play nice, or you won't have any friends?
Neo-Soviet ambition exists regardless of NATO and in the absence of NATO it would have found more outlets, presumably reducing the Eastern Flank to varying stages of Belarusian benightenness. But because of NATO those nations are democratic, prosperous and institutionally robust. In the absence of these outlets neo-Soviet ambition can only be realised through Georgian/Moldovan scraps and... Ukraine.
Most of us guessed that Putin would be patient, awaiting another round of internal Ukrainian tensions to nibble at the East and to push "their guys" in wider Ukrainian politics. Even contrarian shills like Meershiemer guessed at a "machinate and opportune" strategy, and guessed it would be successful. Maybe Putin knew something we didn't, maybe he was less pessimistic about Ukraine than most of the west was, and thought it wasn't for turning.
Edited by AmyRichardson on Thursday 27th June 13:02
Mannginger said:
I'm guessing Zelensky resigned himself to losing Eastern Ukraine and never getting the Crimea back after watching last night's US presidential debate ![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
Absolutely agree. I just wrote on another thread it only needed Biden to loose for Trump to win and that just happened.![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
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