Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
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Meanwhile the advanced western economies of Norway, Switzerland and the UK are not EU members (as would be large net contributors) the move east for cheap labour continues..by the EC. For 2x underdeveloped poor countries with poor records in corruption, human rights etc.
Ukraine and Moldova now for ascension, with Montenegro also now hitting EU benchmarks for joining (after 30 years of cooking the books)..
One final article to close this thread for good
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Mortarboard said:
Why wouldn't they want to join? Are you suggesting the EU is running some honey trap operation?
Infiltrating their givernments and electorate to skew votes?
M.
Moving into Soviet territory..Infiltrating their givernments and electorate to skew votes?
M.
Some trading bloc when 3 of the largest advanced economies on your doorstep are not interested (all with non negotiable sovereign currencies), and economies not dependent on the Bloc.
It’s not honey trap it’s moving cash from Fr/Ger/Nl east, always has been since Maastricht. I wonder who’s been buying large tracts of land for the new infrastructure.
the-photographer said:
One final article to close this thread for good
https://newrepublic.com/article/182987/british-ele...
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Are you off then https://newrepublic.com/article/182987/british-ele...
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Mortarboard said:
andymadmak said:
Great post. I share your frustration at the transparent dishonesty that some on the Remain side display when it comes to this point. No informed, honest person could possibly blame Brexit for the current levels of immigration. As you absolutely correctly put it, the blame lies with Government immigration policy post Brexit and the Government is going to be roundly and rightly punished for its duplicity in the matter.
But for some Remain supporters its par for the course... Raining today? Must be down to Brexit. Dog farting? That'll be Brexit for ya!
It's beyond pathetic and it poisons debate.
I think it is intended to serve as a smoke screen for some for their failure/refusal to answer the most basic questions about rejoining. A few will honestly say that they would rejoin at any cost, or lay out what their red lines might be, but most are super coy about such questions as joining the Euro, Schengen, European taxes, immigrant quotas, interbank balances, acceptable levels of ever closer union... Hell, many of the same people who whined incessantly about how the Referendum question was too simplistic, the public too poorly informed, the threshold set too low, now want to hold another Referendum in exactly the same manner simply because they think they might win next time. All those righteous demands for detail go right out of the window once it dawns on them that no matter what the opinion polls say right now, a vote to rejoin would be most unlikely to be won once the precise details of the terms of rejoining were made clear to the public. Hypocrisy know no limits here!
I think you're missing the mark there just a tad.But for some Remain supporters its par for the course... Raining today? Must be down to Brexit. Dog farting? That'll be Brexit for ya!
It's beyond pathetic and it poisons debate.
I think it is intended to serve as a smoke screen for some for their failure/refusal to answer the most basic questions about rejoining. A few will honestly say that they would rejoin at any cost, or lay out what their red lines might be, but most are super coy about such questions as joining the Euro, Schengen, European taxes, immigrant quotas, interbank balances, acceptable levels of ever closer union... Hell, many of the same people who whined incessantly about how the Referendum question was too simplistic, the public too poorly informed, the threshold set too low, now want to hold another Referendum in exactly the same manner simply because they think they might win next time. All those righteous demands for detail go right out of the window once it dawns on them that no matter what the opinion polls say right now, a vote to rejoin would be most unlikely to be won once the precise details of the terms of rejoining were made clear to the public. Hypocrisy know no limits here!
The point is brexiting was presented as being able to fix some aspects of immigration (lord ascroft poll from turb in 3, 2, 1.....)
The main bit that was "out of control" (rather than "not in control) was always under the purview of government and 40 brexits wouldn't change that.
There is some irony in arguing "rejoiners" now have to give a full "costing" and plan fir how rejoin happens, "but you can't blame brexiters for government actions".......
If you see rejoiners on here, by all means quote and discuss. Otherwise you're just fighting your own shadow.
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Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Are you referring to the increase 2021 - 2023 ? if so the immigration numbers did indeed increase largely due to U.K. giving sanctuary to 283,000 Ukrainians obviously due to the war they are suffering. In addition the U.K. recently offered sanctuary to 120,000 Hong Kongers. However I agree that those people aside our immigration numbers are still to high and the Conservative Government are about to take responsibility for their failing regarding immigration control (in addition to their many other failings).
Immigration is a good thing for the country but must be controlled to remain sustainable in respect of our infrastructure. So I wouldn’t agree your statement ‘major negative impact’ entirely.
In that time, inward migration to the uk was what, well over 2 million?Immigration is a good thing for the country but must be controlled to remain sustainable in respect of our infrastructure. So I wouldn’t agree your statement ‘major negative impact’ entirely.
15%, while not nothing, isn't largely the reason for the increase.
M.
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Jockman said:
That John Ashworth video implies they can do both. Official policy of working closely with our European Partners whilst simultaneously flying back every illegal immigrant even though the majority are from Afghanistan and Iran.
True. 
Working closely with the EU may be easier now "the irish" are involved
https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-uk-electio...
Immigrants, ironically
M.
don'tbesilly said:
Murph7355 said:
Mortarboard said:
There's only two options on asylum seekers:
1. Go it alone, and deal with each and every one that arrives on your shores and airports
2. Share the "burden" with your neighbours
The EU appears to be trying out the shared burden model.
Uk needs to decide what it wants to do. "Blame the eu" won't do much.
M.
How's it working out M?1. Go it alone, and deal with each and every one that arrives on your shores and airports
2. Share the "burden" with your neighbours
The EU appears to be trying out the shared burden model.
Uk needs to decide what it wants to do. "Blame the eu" won't do much.
M.
Is VdL still looking at/favouring a Rwanda style solution too?
https://euobserver.com/migration/araa757569
Varadkar was keen as well but he jumped before…
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0307/1436479...
Mortarboard said:
Has it ever been made clear as to exactly why the controlled inward immigration exploded since brexit?
If they all go through the approvals process, why so many, so quickly?
M.
Post Brexit Britain is a more attractive proposition than the sIf they all go through the approvals process, why so many, so quickly?
M.
tshow unfolding in the soon to be far right dominated EU.Mortarboard said:
Brexit surely delivered yesterday!
Glad to see the back of Mogg and many if the other ERG loons. Tufton street office up for rent yet?
M.
You can tell you don't live in this country as you again prove you have no absolutely idea what you are talking about.Glad to see the back of Mogg and many if the other ERG loons. Tufton street office up for rent yet?
M.
You simply pollute this thread with your nonsense!
Mortarboard said:
Labour didn't win, the Tories lost, and they lost because of reform, which only exists because of ukip & brexit.
Do keep up.
M.
Another post proving to those of us that live in the UK that you are an eejit!Do keep up.
M.
The Tories promised the electorate Health, Wealth, Control of Immigration, and delivered on none of them (plus many other areas). The electorate could see the Tories were taking their votes for granted so many people lent their votes elsewhere at this election. If Labour also don't start to deliver on these areas they will lose their majority in 2029!
Ashfordian said:
Another post proving to those of us that live in the UK that you are an eejit!
The Tories promised the electorate Health, Wealth, Control of Immigration, and delivered on none of them (plus many other areas). The electorate could see the Tories were taking their votes for granted so many people lent their votes elsewhere at this election. If Labour also don't start to deliver on these areas they will lose their majority in 2029!
Labour vote largely unchanged from last time, so the movement was:The Tories promised the electorate Health, Wealth, Control of Immigration, and delivered on none of them (plus many other areas). The electorate could see the Tories were taking their votes for granted so many people lent their votes elsewhere at this election. If Labour also don't start to deliver on these areas they will lose their majority in 2029!
Tories>>>>>reform
Or did you not notice?
M.
Ashfordian said:
Mortarboard said:
Labour didn't win, the Tories lost, and they lost because of reform, which only exists because of ukip & brexit.
Do keep up.
M.
Another post proving to those of us that live in the UK that you are an eejit!Do keep up.
M.
The Tories promised the electorate Health, Wealth, Control of Immigration, and delivered on none of them (plus many other areas). The electorate could see the Tories were taking their votes for granted so many people lent their votes elsewhere at this election. If Labour also don't start to deliver on these areas they will lose their majority in 2029!
Brexit brought the loons into government led by a buffoon surrounded by sycophants
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