Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[Ashfordian]

mike9009 said:

For me, this is the crux. Was it really worth the bother for such little change (negative or positive).

It was, purely because a remain vote would have been take by the EU leadership as a green light from the UK. And UK politicians would happily have ceded more power with almost no question.

It's why the sensible people of the UK voted leave to put an end to the "death by a thousand cuts" of the UK by the EU.

[911hope]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

Would you mind providing examples of the damage you are seeing ?

The surge in legal immigration is a direct result of Brexit. Entirely predictable from the outset.

That's why there is such a government focus illegal immigrants on boats. It is to distract away from the self-inflicted vast majority.

Since immigration was the biggest issue driving Brexit votes, it is odd that brexiteers are blind to the issue and their part in making it happen.

Edited by 911hope on Tuesday 25th June 13:34

[crankedup5]

mike9009 said:

crankedup5 said:

CivicDuties said:

turbobloke said:

Murph7355 said:

That I am not a believer in politicians just underscored me wanting rid of the additional unnecessary layer. We should always have the fewest possible number of politicians, placed as close to the electorate they serve as possible IMO. The EU is the opposite of that now.

And will be into the future.

Spot on.

No, it isn't. My local MEP was a lady called Catherine Bearder, who was very close to her electorate. Couldn't have been much closer really, did a better job than a lot of MPs in the House of Commons on that score. Just because you were never actually looking at our MEPs and what they did (because you had pre-conceived beliefs that they were useless gravy train riding deadweights), doesn't mean they weren't there and working for us.

You really need to get over your received beliefs and persistent repetition of false assertions which exist simply to justify your narratives and your 2016 referendum votes, in the face of untold damage you've done to this country.

Untold damage? you mean the short term hiccup in trading difficulties and some minor additional red tape for travellers.

For me, this is the crux. Was it really worth the bother for such little change (negative or positive).

For me, yes. Reclamation of full ‘S’ and relieving ourselves of the threat and realities of Federalism,
debt mutualisation, migration ‘solidarity policy’, democracy drop to majority voting decisions. Who knows what other future policies may have impacted upon the UK

[andymadmak]

CivicDuties said:

andymadmak said:

CivicDuties said:

You can download an initial list of the first 1,000 damaging disbenefits here, at your leisure:

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/th...

A three year old article, already posted on here several times, chunks of which have been debunked numerous times. Yeah, that's credible.

Once again, none as blind as those who won't see.

The problem is, the damage is so widespread, and infects so many aspects of life, from the economy, to travel, to lost rights, to education, to opportunities for young people and retirees, to diplomatic fallout and reputational damage, to national security, to policing, and beyond, there isn't a nice little soundbite article I can provide for you. Take off the willful blinkers, drop the denialism and simplistic 'well it's not as bad as it could have been' and 'it's only some trade blips and a bit of travel disruption', or whatever desperately thin gruel it was the cranky posted up. It's all out there, and it's breathtaking. It's no good asking me to spoon feed you. The penny isn't going to drop here, where your heels are dug in so deep you can probably see Melbourne.

There is so much wrong with this somewhat hysterical statement that I don't know where to start, nor can I be bothered, since much of your hysteria has been discussed and countered before.
We're out. Thats the reality. You need to deal with that on a personal level, rather than squawking on and on about what you perceive the injustices of Brexit are. If you want to campaign for rejoining then that's absolutely fair enough and I would never question your right to do so. Do you have any personal thoughts as to what might be acceptable to you as far as the terms for rejoining might be?

[Mortarboard]

Mote to the point, the UK is out, and needs to deal with it on a national level....

M.

[Murph7355]

andymadmak said:

CivicDuties said:

andymadmak said:

CivicDuties said:

You can download an initial list of the first 1,000 damaging disbenefits here, at your leisure:

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/th...

A three year old article, already posted on here several times, chunks of which have been debunked numerous times. Yeah, that's credible.

Once again, none as blind as those who won't see.

The problem is, the damage is so widespread, and infects so many aspects of life, from the economy, to travel, to lost rights, to education, to opportunities for young people and retirees, to diplomatic fallout and reputational damage, to national security, to policing, and beyond, there isn't a nice little soundbite article I can provide for you. Take off the willful blinkers, drop the denialism and simplistic 'well it's not as bad as it could have been' and 'it's only some trade blips and a bit of travel disruption', or whatever desperately thin gruel it was the cranky posted up. It's all out there, and it's breathtaking. It's no good asking me to spoon feed you. The penny isn't going to drop here, where your heels are dug in so deep you can probably see Melbourne.

There is so much wrong with this somewhat hysterical statement that I don't know where to start, nor can I be bothered, since much of your hysteria has been discussed and countered before.
We're out. Thats the reality. You need to deal with that on a personal level, rather than squawking on and on about what you perceive the injustices of Brexit are. If you want to campaign for rejoining then that's absolutely fair enough and I would never question your right to do so. Do you have any personal thoughts as to what might be acceptable to you as far as the terms for rejoining might be?

You're all asking the wrong question.

Does Ms Bearder have a ski chalet?

[don'tbesilly]

Murph7355 said:

andymadmak said:

CivicDuties said:

andymadmak said:

CivicDuties said:

You can download an initial list of the first 1,000 damaging disbenefits here, at your leisure:

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/th...

A three year old article, already posted on here several times, chunks of which have been debunked numerous times. Yeah, that's credible.

Once again, none as blind as those who won't see.

The problem is, the damage is so widespread, and infects so many aspects of life, from the economy, to travel, to lost rights, to education, to opportunities for young people and retirees, to diplomatic fallout and reputational damage, to national security, to policing, and beyond, there isn't a nice little soundbite article I can provide for you. Take off the willful blinkers, drop the denialism and simplistic 'well it's not as bad as it could have been' and 'it's only some trade blips and a bit of travel disruption', or whatever desperately thin gruel it was the cranky posted up. It's all out there, and it's breathtaking. It's no good asking me to spoon feed you. The penny isn't going to drop here, where your heels are dug in so deep you can probably see Melbourne.

There is so much wrong with this somewhat hysterical statement that I don't know where to start, nor can I be bothered, since much of your hysteria has been discussed and countered before.
We're out. Thats the reality. You need to deal with that on a personal level, rather than squawking on and on about what you perceive the injustices of Brexit are. If you want to campaign for rejoining then that's absolutely fair enough and I would never question your right to do so. Do you have any personal thoughts as to what might be acceptable to you as far as the terms for rejoining might be?

You're all asking the wrong question.

Does Ms Bearder have a ski chalet?

Don’t know the answer to that but Ms Bearder did go all Hyacinth Bouquet when her local council told her to remove the EU flag from her gatepost earlier this year



8 years on (7 if your names Mortarboard) and some can’t leave Stockholm.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

8 years on (7 if your names Mortarboard) and some can’t leave Stockholm.

Stopped shipping GSK's critical materials through the uk in 2015, making the brexit effects stretching back 9 years, but who's counting, eh?



M.

Eta- yes, before the official announcement

[bad company]

911hope said:

Since immigration was the biggest issue driving Brexit votes, it is odd that brexiteers are blind to the issue and their part in making it happen.

Edited by 911hope on Tuesday 25th June 13:34

Immigration was one issue but it was well down the list of priorities.

[Mortarboard]

bad company said:

911hope said:

Since immigration was the biggest issue driving Brexit votes, it is odd that brexiteers are blind to the issue and their part in making it happen.

Edited by 911hope on Tuesday 25th June 13:34

Immigration was one issue but it was well down the list of priorities.

Are you sure?
Seems to be all that the major brexit champions bang on about.....

M.

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

don'tbesilly said:

8 years on (7 if your names Mortarboard) and some can’t leave Stockholm.

Stopped shipping GSK's critical materials through the uk in 2015, making the brexit effects stretching back 9 years, but who's counting, eh?



M.

Eta- yes, before the official announcement

The EU referendum bill was introduced in the HoC on the 28th May 2015.
The first reading of the bill in the HoC was on the 8th September 2015.
The HoL approved the bill on the 14th December 2015.
The bill received RA on the 17th December 2015.
The bill came into legal force on the 1st February 2016.


You must be Jonathan Cainer, or just a Billy Bull Sh*tter, based on your posts I’ll go with the latter.

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

bad company said:

911hope said:

Since immigration was the biggest issue driving Brexit votes, it is odd that brexiteers are blind to the issue and their part in making it happen.

Edited by 911hope on Tuesday 25th June 13:34

Immigration was one issue but it was well down the list of priorities.

Are you sure?
Seems to be all that the major brexit champions bang on about.....

M.

Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.

One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” J

Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.”

Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-unit...

Anyone would think you’d never seen it before, it is seven eight years old.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

The EU referendum bill was introduced in the HoC on the 28th May 2015.
The first reading of the bill in the HoC was on the 8th September 2015.
The HoL approved the bill on the 14th December 2015.
The bill received RA on the 17th December 2015.
The bill came into legal force on the 1st February 2016.


You must be Jonathan Cainer, or just a Billy Bull Sh*tter, based on your posts I’ll go with the latter.

Hate to break it to you silly, but major businesses don't hang around to "see how it all works out"

HTH

M.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-unit...

Anyone would think you’d never seen it before, it is seven eight years old.

Brexit champions lad. Not the opinions of those who got conned 8 years ago.

But then again, some of them can't tell the difference between asylum seekers and immigrants.

Ukip, now reform.

First "pledge' - immigration.

Phunny Dat.

Not racists either, no matter how many of their candidates seem to like the odd fascist or two.

M.

[911hope]

bad company said:

Immigration was one issue but it was well down the list of priorities.

If the majority of Brexit voters stated they didn't see immigration as near the top of their list, the majority would be being dishonest.

Of course, a fair proportion are bi longer around and a fair proportion now pretend that they didn't vote for it, having realised it was stupid.

[Ashfordian]

Mortarboard said:

Hate to break it to you silly, but major businesses don't hang around to "see how it all works out"

HTH

M.

And they haven't left, despite what the Project Fear disciples preached would happen,,,

[blueg33]

Ashfordian said:

Mortarboard said:

Hate to break it to you silly, but major businesses don't hang around to "see how it all works out"

HTH

M.

And they haven't left, despite what the Project Fear disciples preached would happen,,,

My previous employer moved all of HR, architecture and accounts out of the UK because a fair proportion of the employees went back to Europe. This is a business with 130,000 employees globally. So a major business reducing its uk activity and turnover.

[Mortarboard]

Ashfordian said:

Mortarboard said:

Hate to break it to you silly, but major businesses don't hang around to "see how it all works out"

HTH

M.

And they haven't left, despite what the Project Fear disciples preached would happen,,,

Le sigh.

Try reading my posts.

M.

[crankedup5]

911hope said:

bad company said:

Immigration was one issue but it was well down the list of priorities.

If the majority of Brexit voters stated they didn't see immigration as near the top of their list, the majority would be being dishonest.

Of course, a fair proportion are bi longer around and a fair proportion now pretend that they didn't vote for it, having realised it was stupid.

Immigration, been a hot topic for years and is still one of. the major topics within the three main political parties.It is high on each of their manifesto to deal with the issue. Brexiteeers still enjoying such influence or is it. an issue amongst a broader group.

[911hope]

crankedup5 said:

Immigration, been a hot topic for years and is still one of. the major topics within the three main political parties.It is high on each of their manifesto to deal with the issue. Brexiteeers still enjoying such influence or is it. an issue amongst a broader group.

The reality is that the brexiteers and the Brexit they brought about INCREASED immigration in a big way. That type of influence should be a disappointment to them.

Why do they ignore this Major negative impact, when assessing the impact of their decision.