Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5

[Chimune]

Was musing the other day. Best and easiet off ramp for putrid is trump winning.

They have a meeting. Putrid pulls out saying he can work with djt plus USA wont be sending any more kit and will finish Ukrainian naziz off with 'sanctions'.

Trump wins huge pr in 1st week - told you id stop ww3 rubbish. Putrid gets to withdraw without swinging from lampost. Both go back home to focus on the critical task of staying in power.

World gives sigh of relief and moves on.

[RichFN2]

Iamnotkloot said:

No one wants Russian children to die but the families were taking a big risk holidaying in a war zone.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/23/...

Crimea has been hit hard today, not much coverage due to the ongoing terrorist situation in Russia but this is being reported as a military base after a missile strike.

https://t.me/combatfootageua/17516

Possibly more on the way?
https://t.me/combatfootageua/17517

[Richard-G]

Adam. said:

GT03ROB said:

Excluding ISIS or whichever muslim group is flavour of the month they really aren't. You may wish that to be so, but its not about to happen. The central Asian states bordering Russia, Kazakhstan & mongolia are not about to start biting off bits of russian land. China doesn't need to, it just has more & more ethnic Chinese populating eastern Russia. They play the long game

Who else is going to "take a pop" Georgia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Finland?

Fractures within Russia is more likely particularly those with larger Muslim populations though still a low probability.

Spot on, lots of wishful thinking on here

Just leaving this here again after today/tonight's shenanigans

9 dead

Live firefights in:
Derbent
Makhachkala
Abkhazia

[Adam.]

Chimune said:

Was musing the other day. Best and easiet off ramp for putrid is trump winning.

They have a meeting. Putrid pulls out saying he can work with djt plus USA wont be sending any more kit and will finish Ukrainian naziz off with 'sanctions'.

Trump wins huge pr in 1st week - told you id stop ww3 rubbish. Putrid gets to withdraw without swinging from lampost. Both go back home to focus on the critical task of staying in power.

World gives sigh of relief and moves on.

Sadly the odious Trump getting in and pulling US support to cut taxes is far more likely than someone bumping off Putin.

Really hoping Ukraine can pummel critical Russian targets like above and swing the tide but Putin could lay mines where he currently sits and I don’t see Ukraine breaking through easily

[RichFN2]

Richard-G said:

Adam. said:

GT03ROB said:

Excluding ISIS or whichever muslim group is flavour of the month they really aren't. You may wish that to be so, but its not about to happen. The central Asian states bordering Russia, Kazakhstan & mongolia are not about to start biting off bits of russian land. China doesn't need to, it just has more & more ethnic Chinese populating eastern Russia. They play the long game

Who else is going to "take a pop" Georgia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Finland?

Fractures within Russia is more likely particularly those with larger Muslim populations though still a low probability.

Spot on, lots of wishful thinking on here

Just leaving this here again after today/tonight's shenanigans

9 dead

Live firefights in:
Derbent
Makhachkala
Abkhazia

Military ended up getting involved to try and control this, seems to be a large scale terrorist attack targeting the police and churches.

https://t.me/combatfootageua/17509?single
https://t.me/combatfootageua/17506?single
https://t.me/pilotblog/13122

[MBBlat]

Wacky Racer said:

Watch this link to a Newsnight programme from ten years ago.

Quite eye opening as the Nazis were gaining ground in Ukraine pre invasion, and corruption in high places.

Yes Ukraine had a Neo-Nazi problem 10 years ago, they have worked hard to get rid of it to the extent that the Neo-Nazis lost their parliamentary representation almost totally in the last elections, the one that brought a Russian speaking, anti corruption president to power.

[Oliver Hardy]

Adam. said:

Gecko1978 said:

I am still in the Ukraine will win camp in the end there won't be any Russian men left and most of Ukraine will be rubble but despite that Russia won't win

Why would Russia run out of men before a Ukraine with a fraction of the population?

I would think the quickest way for Ukraine to win is to continue strangling the supply lines and Russian economy.

Biggest worry for Ukraine is the destruction of power generating.

I don't really understand why Ukraine are also not hitting Russian power stations?

[Wayoftheflower]

Oliver Hardy said:

I don't really understand why Ukraine are also not hitting Russian power stations?

As Ukraine themselves are demonstrating power infrastructure can be quite resilient.

A good video on why wearing down an opposing economy with strategic bombardment can be difficult.
https://youtu.be/Q9w17Ne1S0M?feature=shared

In that context the strikes on key parts of Russia's oil industry seems to be the best "value" in causing Russia problems in places that aren't as tough as the energy grid.

[GT03ROB]

Richard-G said:

Adam. said:

GT03ROB said:

Excluding ISIS or whichever muslim group is flavour of the month they really aren't. You may wish that to be so, but its not about to happen. The central Asian states bordering Russia, Kazakhstan & mongolia are not about to start biting off bits of russian land. China doesn't need to, it just has more & more ethnic Chinese populating eastern Russia. They play the long game

Who else is going to "take a pop" Georgia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Finland?

Fractures within Russia is more likely particularly those with larger Muslim populations though still a low probability.

Spot on, lots of wishful thinking on here

Just leaving this here again after today/tonight's shenanigans

9 dead

Live firefights in:
Derbent
Makhachkala
Abkhazia

...and consistent with what I stated. Derbent & Makhachkala are both in the Russian republic of Dagestan which is basically Muslim & adjacent to Chechyna.

Abkhazia is different its Georgian sovereign territory, not Russian. Georgia & Russia have been trading punches over Abkhazia for years.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Chimune said:

Was musing the other day. Best and easiet off ramp for putrid is trump winning.

They have a meeting. Putrid pulls out saying he can work with djt plus USA wont be sending any more kit and will finish Ukrainian naziz off with 'sanctions'.

Trump wins huge pr in 1st week - told you id stop ww3 rubbish. Putrid gets to withdraw without swinging from lampost. Both go back home to focus on the critical task of staying in power.

World gives sigh of relief and moves on.

I like that. I don't think it's likely but it ticks all the boxes.

Putin has a narrative that looks like a victory - he took down the Biden government - Trump looks like a winner. Win-win.

[Prolex-UK]

Oliver Hardy said:

Adam. said:

Gecko1978 said:

I am still in the Ukraine will win camp in the end there won't be any Russian men left and most of Ukraine will be rubble but despite that Russia won't win

Why would Russia run out of men before a Ukraine with a fraction of the population?

I would think the quickest way for Ukraine to win is to continue strangling the supply lines and Russian economy.

Biggest worry for Ukraine is the destruction of power generating.

I don't really understand why Ukraine are also not hitting Russian power stations?

Think they are not allowed to do this by USA

[W12GT]

Russia blaming US for Crimea attack. How stupid are the Russian people and anyone who believes that?

[200bhp]

Interesting reading about the Crimea beach incident - The story seems to be that one of the ATACMS was shot down over the beach, releasing its cluster munitions onto the beach below.

Somehow the Russians twist this to be "Ukrainians with American missiles deliberately attack people on the beach"

If only they'd let it continue to its intended destination, it wouldn't have released it's cluster munitions onto the beach.

[Shar2]

200bhp said:

Interesting reading about the Crimea beach incident - The story seems to be that one of the ATACMS was shot down over the beach, releasing its cluster munitions onto the beach below.

Somehow the Russians twist this to be "Ukrainians with American missiles deliberately attack people on the beach"

If only they'd let it continue to its intended destination, it wouldn't have released it's cluster munitions onto the beach.

But it's ok for the ruzzians to use bombs, rockets, missiles and shells to destroy hopsitals, schools, homes, and power infrastructure etc. F-ing hypocrites.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

Shar2 said:

But it's ok for the ruzzians to use bombs, rockets, missiles and shells to destroy hopsitals, schools, homes, and power infrastructure etc. F-ing hypocrites.

You forgot deploying banned chemical weapons too.

[Tango13]

Wayoftheflower said:

Oliver Hardy said:

I don't really understand why Ukraine are also not hitting Russian power stations?

As Ukraine themselves are demonstrating power infrastructure can be quite resilient.

A good video on why wearing down an opposing economy with strategic bombardment can be difficult.
https://youtu.be/Q9w17Ne1S0M?feature=shared

In that context the strikes on key parts of Russia's oil industry seems to be the best "value" in causing Russia problems in places that aren't as tough as the energy grid.

It was a lack of oil that finished both the Germans and the Japanese at the end of the WWII. The German factories were still producing armaments especially aircraft but there was no fuel to power them and no fuel to train new pilots putting more strain on existing flyers.

This gave the Allied forces air supremacy which also allowed them to target transport infrastructure at will so moving supplies to the front line became much more difficult.

[paulrockliffe]

200bhp said:

Interesting reading about the Crimea beach incident - The story seems to be that one of the ATACMS was shot down over the beach, releasing its cluster munitions onto the beach below.

Somehow the Russians twist this to be "Ukrainians with American missiles deliberately attack people on the beach"

If only they'd let it continue to its intended destination, it wouldn't have released it's cluster munitions onto the beach.

In this case was the intended target not the AD kit that was sat on top of the cliffs above the beach? There's a picture doing the rounds that show a launcher sat pretty much on the edge of the cliff, but I haven't checked that it relates exactly to this incident.

You have to be pretty thick to go bathing underneath an AD launcher in Crimea, but then you have to be pretty thick to be holidaying in Crimea in the first place I suppose.

There was a space tracking radar that got flattened last night to0.

[Adam.]

W12GT said:

Russia blaming US for Crimea attack. How stupid are the Russian people and anyone who believes that?

Very and they are

[isaldiri]

Adam. said:

W12GT said:

Russia blaming US for Crimea attack. How stupid are the Russian people and anyone who believes that?

Very and they are

Stupid or not, if say Cuba was firing russian supplied missiles at Florida, do you really think the US wouldn't be blaming the russians for the attacks?

[Adam.]

isaldiri said:

Stupid or not, if say Cuba was firing russian supplied missiles at Florida, do you really think the US wouldn't be blaming the russians for the attacks?

Very fair point