Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[nickfrog]

bhstewie said:

Everything you need to know about Hannan's judgement is right here.

What Britain looks like after Brexit

That's hilarious, thanks for sharing.

[Mrr T]

F1GTRUeno said:

Murph7355 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

Not really. You had the understanding of making the choice knowing who would be implementing it didn't you? You can't make that choice without.

Unless voting leave was a magic box and suddenly we get the best politicians and deal makers in history and for some incredible unforeseen reason we didn't get that?

Edited by F1GTRUeno on Monday 24th June 02:11

Not even remotely.

Cameron buggered off after promising not to. And it also became clear he had prevented the Civil Service making any preparations at all.

Then May got in with The Boy Robbins enthroned as her trusty sidekick...she and he were the biggest cause of the hassle.

Then the whole of Parliament got itself in a death spiral.

I am assuming you predicted those events and won a fortune at BetFred like half of the current Tory party are seemingly doing now?

Myriad other factors also at play. But those few are pretty chunky.

Who did you think was gonna be in charge though?

Like I said, you KNEW who would be implementing Brexit - it's a static pool of government officials either in office/same party or opposition - they're all ste and you knew they'd do a st job and you still voted for it.

And that's incredibly stupid unless you thought you were getting a whole new government full of very competent people that were hitherto hidden away before Brexit, ready and waiting to take over and get st done.

I don't mind the idea for some but people have loads of ideas about things that would immensely improve their lives and those around them, doesn't mean they're in any way capable of making them happen so they don't get done. Why we chose to do this one without a crack team and thought it would work I've no idea.

As I said above to implement it properly you needed people who knew the benefit of brexit, unfortunately like the unicorn, these people do not exist because there really are very few benefits.

So it was implemented by a government lead by those who supported brexit who clearly had no idea of any real benefits. Now they are being criticised by brexit supporters, who also have no idea of the benefit of brexit, for not implementing it properly.

[cheesejunkie]

F1GTRUeno said:

Who did you think was gonna be in charge though?

Like I said, you KNEW who would be implementing Brexit - it's a static pool of government officials either in office/same party or opposition - they're all ste and you knew they'd do a st job and you still voted for it.

And that's incredibly stupid unless you thought you were getting a whole new government full of very competent people that were hitherto hidden away before Brexit, ready and waiting to take over and get st done.

I don't mind the idea for some but people have loads of ideas about things that would immensely improve their lives and those around them, doesn't mean they're in any way capable of making them happen so they don't get done. Why we chose to do this one without a crack team and thought it would work I've no idea.

I've had many ideas, some have happened but not because of me.

Someone with a name that rhymes with smurf thought that he was smarter than governments and understandably in my view thought that more locally accountable responsibility is a good thing but incorrectly in my view backed the wrong horse. It is an idea that could have worked with a low statistical possibility. Murph voted for the wrong people to implement it. He expected that their incompetence could be temporary. Now his country is facing a racism problem but it's not his fault. He was just voting for brexit.

This is what I find interesting. By my definition of economic success brexiters have failed spectacularly but in owning the conversation they've succeeded hugely in having others feel the need to speak up against their mistakes.

I like Murph's arguments about more accountability but reality doesn't match up. Brexit was a land grab on opinions.

[crankedup5]

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Any sign of a plan yet? (He asked, knowing that the answer is "like ste there is")

So we can expect "shooting from the hip", more or less.
Hope labour get lucky

M.

[Wills2]

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Really? I thought we'd hit rock bottom, but you're saying it's going to get worse!?

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Any sign of a plan yet? (He asked, knowing that the answer is "like ste there is")

So we can expect "shooting from the hip", more or less.
Hope labour get lucky

M.

The incoming Labour Government has been advising the electorate of its plan. Keep up )
No intention to enter SM / CU or rejoin the EU. They must share the confidence that I have in our re-established ‘S’
Love Brexit.

[crankedup5]

Wills2 said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Really? I thought we'd hit rock bottom, but you're saying it's going to get worse!?

It might get worse for you, not for me though.

[Mortarboard]

So just alinging with EU regs, but not calling them "EU regs"
https://www.ft.com/content/9f37b5eb-f6a0-4232-afd1...

Hmmmmm. Are you sure about the "s" thing?

M.

[don'tbesilly]

crankedup5 said:

Wills2 said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Really? I thought we'd hit rock bottom, but you're saying it's going to get worse!?

It might get worse for you, not for me though.

I don’t think anything catastrophic has happened in the last six months or the years before all the way back to the beginning of the graph:



Looking good this year and up to 2028, although Starmer will likely upset the apple cart.



Oh well.

[turbobloke]

don'tbesilly said:

crankedup5 said:

Wills2 said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Really? I thought we'd hit rock bottom, but you're saying it's going to get worse!?

It might get worse for you, not for me though.

I don’t think anything catastrophic has happened in the last six months or the years before all the way back to the beginning of the graph:



Looking good this year and up to 2028, although Starmer will likely upset the apple cart.



Oh well.

Mindful of the Presclot-Brown effect, when it happens depends on Rayner.

[blueg33]

don'tbesilly said:

crankedup5 said:

Wills2 said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, it’s not a static moment in time with no further opportunities.

Really? I thought we'd hit rock bottom, but you're saying it's going to get worse!?

It might get worse for you, not for me though.

I don’t think anything catastrophic has happened in the last six months or the years before all the way back to the beginning of the graph:



Looking good this year and up to 2028, although Starmer will likely upset the apple cart.



Oh well.

Easier to show growth when you start from a posit that’s low.

[Mortarboard]

And 7 years after brexit

M.

[Blue62]

blueg33 said:

Easier to show growth when you start from a posit that’s low.

Don’t spoil it, it was going so well. Anyone seen the latest Opinium polls?

[Wombat3]

Blue62 said:

blueg33 said:

Easier to show growth when you start from a posit that’s low.

Don’t spoil it, it was going so well. Anyone seen the latest Opinium polls?

That graph appears to start in 2003....I.e "peak Brown"

[Blue62]

Wombat3 said:

That graph appears to start in 2003....I.e "peak Brown"

Point being what exactly? Couldn’t care less about Brown but was he also responsible for the Eurozone and Germany, or have I missed your point?

[don'tbesilly]

Wombat3 said:

Blue62 said:

blueg33 said:

Easier to show growth when you start from a posit that’s low.

Don’t spoil it, it was going so well. Anyone seen the latest Opinium polls?

That graph appears to start in 2003....I.e "peak Brown"

In fairness MB does think the UK left the EU in 2017.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

In fairness MB does think the UK left the EU in 2017.

I'm being kind. The impacts started before even the vote

Don't be silly, don't be silly

M.

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

don'tbesilly said:

In fairness MB does think the UK left the EU in 2017.

I'm being kind. The impacts started before even the vote

Don't be silly, don't be silly

M.

[732NM]

cheesejunkie said:

Dan Hannah is someone I can't stand. He's a joke. Wrong on so many subjects but gets praised by the "right sort".

I honesty don't know why I read this thread. I like the car ones. But I can comment on this one without looking like an idiot.

Brexit has failed. It has destroyed the tory party for at least a generation. It has fked the economy up by an average assessment of 4% compounded. It has resulted in the unlikely but possible event of the tories being supplanted by a fascist.

Debatably detangling the UK from EU politics is supportable. The results of doing so are proving very questionable.

I don't support any remainer who says this was all predictable or any leaver who says they're getting what they voted for. Neither knew what they were about to get. Nobody wanted this st show.

If you look to the EU countries, their politics is heading far right as the national governments are powerless to address the problems baked in to the Euro and the EU political structure.

UK by comparison is heading centre Left, now it has killed off the issue of EU membership.

It's messy, but politics is starting to work at the national level again in the UK, the EU is heading far right just as majority voting is really taking off. What could possibly go wrong!

We are well out of that unfolding mess.