Scrapping non dom status

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sugerbear

5,312 posts

173 months

Friday 3rd May 2024
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So let me get this right, he has given lots of money to the Tory party, and in the process hoped to impinge British sovereignty?

Well I dont think that is acceptable and I am glad we have left the EU.. err.. no I meant forced him out of the country..

anonymous-user

69 months

Friday 3rd May 2024
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Murph7355 said:
On what basis is it peanuts?

What earnings are generating it?

One presumes you're paying more than 60k per year in tax?
It's 60 after 12 years. Are you ignoring everything before that?

Electro1980

8,520 posts

154 months

Friday 3rd May 2024
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Vanden Saab said:
fk the rich and you fk the poor. Typical nonsense from the politics of envy.
“politics of envy” is the Godwin on economics. It’s primary school level argument of “you’re just jealous”. It’s pathetic, gets nowhere and is childish.

Newc

2,097 posts

197 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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And off they go, leaving the rest of us to pay more tax than we needed to, for absolutely no benefit. Good job everyone.

https://www.ft.com/content/8bdd74b2-b8f6-4439-897c...

Increasing numbers of wealthy foreigners say they are leaving the UK in response to the abolition of the “non-dom” regime that allowed them to avoid paying tax on overseas income.

“The UK’s inheritance tax of 40 per cent on your global assets is a real problem,” said a European non-dom businessman in his 50s, who is moving his family from London to Switzerland after more than a decade in the UK.

One French investor in his 40s said that “any foreigner in the UK who has the option to leave is doing so because of the end of the non-dom regime”. He is moving from London to Milan early next year, lured by a system that was announced by Italy in 2017 that exempts foreign income from Italian tax in exchange for the payment of €100,000 a year.

Carl_VivaEspana

14,531 posts

277 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Newc said:
And off they go, leaving the rest of us to pay more tax than we needed to, for absolutely no benefit. Good job everyone.
Not to worry apparently, there is a plan.


NuckyThompson

1,921 posts

183 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Newc said:
And off they go, leaving the rest of us to pay more tax than we needed to, for absolutely no benefit. Good job everyone.

https://www.ft.com/content/8bdd74b2-b8f6-4439-897c...

Increasing numbers of wealthy foreigners say they are leaving the UK in response to the abolition of the “non-dom” regime that allowed them to avoid paying tax on overseas income.

“The UK’s inheritance tax of 40 per cent on your global assets is a real problem,” said a European non-dom businessman in his 50s, who is moving his family from London to Switzerland after more than a decade in the UK.

One French investor in his 40s said that “any foreigner in the UK who has the option to leave is doing so because of the end of the non-dom regime”. He is moving from London to Milan early next year, lured by a system that was announced by Italy in 2017 that exempts foreign income from Italian tax in exchange for the payment of €100,000 a year.
If they leave what money were we actually making from them? What’s the argument for non-dom?

irc

8,881 posts

151 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Excuse me if the answer is obvious but were non doms paying tax on income outside the UK

For example if one has income in India, Australia, France. Is that income taxed there. If so non dom just avoids double taxation.

If not then non Dom was a tax avoidance scheme and as well abolished.

CoolHands

20,717 posts

210 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Bye wavey

If they don’t want to live here, no loss.

Oliver Hardy

3,063 posts

89 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Carl_VivaEspana said:
Newc said:
And off they go, leaving the rest of us to pay more tax than we needed to, for absolutely no benefit. Good job everyone.
Not to worry apparently, there is a plan.
I am sure there is, in the form of a different scheme or just don't bring the money into the UK.

Most other European countries do not have non dome schemes, I do not think?

Rufus Stone

9,994 posts

71 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Newc said:
And off they go, leaving the rest of us to pay more tax than we needed to, for absolutely no benefit. Good job everyone.

https://www.ft.com/content/8bdd74b2-b8f6-4439-897c...

Increasing numbers of wealthy foreigners say they are leaving the UK in response to the abolition of the “non-dom” regime that allowed them to avoid paying tax on overseas income.

“The UK’s inheritance tax of 40 per cent on your global assets is a real problem,” said a European non-dom businessman in his 50s, who is moving his family from London to Switzerland after more than a decade in the UK.

One French investor in his 40s said that “any foreigner in the UK who has the option to leave is doing so because of the end of the non-dom regime”. He is moving from London to Milan early next year, lured by a system that was announced by Italy in 2017 that exempts foreign income from Italian tax in exchange for the payment of €100,000 a year.
You fail to appreciate that these people don't care about the country they live in, they just care about themselves and their wealth and will move anywhere that they believe benefits them.

Good riddance.

smifffymoto

5,054 posts

220 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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I think Rufus sums it up nicely,they only care about themselves and their money.

greygoose

8,981 posts

210 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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smifffymoto said:
I think Rufus sums it up nicely,they only care about themselves and their money.
Indeed another article said that many were going to Dubai, I’d rather pay tax than live there to be honest.

Dog Star

16,970 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Tom8 said:
Like all the envy taxes the labour party proposes, this one will also generate little but sounds good to Jo public. I agree people should contribute. These people may not directly but indirectly they will probably contribute far more than the rest of us through purchasing high value goods, hospitality, accommodation etc etc.
If this is the way it works then let’s abolish income tax and a few others. That way everyone will have more money in their pockets and will spend it on stuff, pay vat etc etc etc. if that’s how you reckon it works.

I actually don’t think a lot of them will leave. There must be some pretty compelling reasons to want to be on this sodden, overcrowded island. Put it this way if I was very rich you’d not see me for dust!

BikeBikeBIke

11,641 posts

130 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Dog Star said:
I actually don’t think a lot of them will leave. There must be some pretty compelling reasons to want to be on this sodden, overcrowded island. Put it this way if I was very rich you’d not see me for dust!
You sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.

There's no way this will raise revenue, if it did they'd have done it years ago.

Puzzles

2,869 posts

126 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Well, this has been eye opening.

Mr Penguin

3,456 posts

54 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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NuckyThompson said:
If they leave what money were we actually making from them? What’s the argument for non-dom?
They spend large sums of money here which generates jobs and indirect taxes.

Rufus Stone

9,994 posts

71 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Mr Penguin said:
They spend large sums of money here which generates jobs and indirect taxes.
So do wealthy people resident here for tax purposes. Should we let them off some tax for the same reason and be grateful for what little we get?

I'm reminded of this.




BikeBikeBIke

11,641 posts

130 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Rufus Stone said:
So do wealthy people resident here for tax purposes. Should we let them off some tax for the same reason and be grateful for what little we get?
You don't have the choice.

If you're taxing mobile people and organisations your're competing in a global market.

Corporation tax is the same. We used the have to keep low to compete (still not low enough - my medium sized firm moved HQ to Belgium IIRC). Then there was an international agreement to raise corporation tax and we could get away with increasing it. We don't choose our tax rates, the market does.

Doing away with Non Dom status is not about increasing tax revenue. It's about shafting Starmer. Taking money away from him, but making the punters think he has more. Hopefully forcing him to face facts and reverse it thus annoying his base.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 22 June 09:59

Mr Penguin

3,456 posts

54 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Also other countries have similar policies where high earners can reduce their income tax if they move there

https://www.government.nl/topics/income-tax/shorte...

https://kpmg.com/xx/en/home/insights/2023/11/flash...

.:ian:.

2,533 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Mr Penguin said:
NuckyThompson said:
If they leave what money were we actually making from them? What’s the argument for non-dom?
They spend large sums of money here which generates jobs and indirect taxes.
Bassim Haidar in the link on the first page employed 20 people in his multiple houses and was going list one of his companies on the LSE.

So, 20 people out of a job and no £B IPO.

That's just one non dom.