“National Conservatism”

[deckster]

pequod said:

Gary C said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Sounds a bit like errm nationalism and conservatism to me, cunningly hidden behind the name National Conservatism. Do you really think such ideas are wildly outside the range of acceptable views?

Range of views, of course

Range of acceptable views, now that's a different question and for myself in the UK, yes they seem widely outside my range of acceptable views

Should they be banned from expressing these views?

Has anybody suggested they should?

[anonymous-user]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Eric Mc said:

English?

Surely you meant British?

Or are you really singling out the English?

I think English literature is very much a part of British culture.

I think England made some especially significant contributions to modern democracy. Britain as a whole did too.

I'm sure there are lovely cheeses from Wales, Scotland and Ireland but I am especially into Cheddar and Stilton at the moment. Both of which happen to be English.

So yes, singling it out.

You know, you can buy Scottish Stilton and Welsh Cheddar right?….. and please don’t claim PDO etc is all you eat…

[JuanCarlosFandango]

deckster said:

Yes. I do. Wildly and terrifyingly.

I presume you think they are pretty mainstream and unremarkable?

Probably a bit more religious fervour than would be typical but nothing that I'd describe as "terrifying." What exactly are you terrified of?

[ZedLeg]

National Conservatism said:

We recognize that most universities are at this point partisan and globalist in orientation and vehemently opposed to nationalist and conservative ideas. Such institutions do not deserve taxpayer support unless they rededicate themselves to the national interest.

Demanding that educational institutions only teach what the government want them to is pretty shady for a start.

[Eric Mc]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think English literature is very much a part of British culture.

I think England made some especially significant contributions to modern democracy. Britain as a whole did too.

I'm sure there are lovely cheeses from Wales, Scotland and Ireland but I am especially into Cheddar and Stilton at the moment. Both of which happen to be English.

So yes, singling it out.

So your take on National Conservatism is that it is really an English thing and not really for the other "Brits"?

[otolith]

pequod said:

Should they be banned from expressing these views?

Definitely not - it's preferable that everybody knows exactly what they are, and can judge and act accordingly.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Eric Mc said:

Can you explain to me, what the difference is between an ordinary "Conservative" and a "National Conservative"?

I don't own the terms, and there's no catch all definition as far as I know. My take on it would be that national conservatism has a greater emphasis on the nation as a political and social unit where as mainstream conservatism as represented by the current centre right are apparently comfortable with a much higher degree of internationalism. What do you think?

[Eric Mc]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

deckster said:

Yes. I do. Wildly and terrifyingly.

I presume you think they are pretty mainstream and unremarkable?

Probably a bit more religious fervour than would be typical but nothing that I'd describe as "terrifying." What exactly are you terrified of?

If you are an American woman of child bearing age, the antics of the religious conservative movement is truly terrifying - in a very real and tangible way.

[Eric Mc]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I don't own the terms, and there's no catch all definition as far as I know. My take on it would be that national conservatism has a greater emphasis on the nation as a political and social unit where as mainstream conservatism as represented by the current centre right are apparently comfortable with a much higher degree of internationalism. What do you think?

Which nation are they referring to?

[deckster]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

deckster said:

Yes. I do. Wildly and terrifyingly.

I presume you think they are pretty mainstream and unremarkable?

Probably a bit more religious fervour than would be typical but nothing that I'd describe as "terrifying." What exactly are you terrified of?

The positioning of the bible as the central authority, the shutting down of universities, the closing of the borders, and the denying of gay relationships is a decent enough start for me.

[voyds9]

pablo said:

You know, you can buy Scottish Stilton and Welsh Cheddar right?….. and please don’t claim PDO etc is all you eat…

You can buy English whisky but could you sell it a Scotsman

[TTwiggy]

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

[FredericRobinson]

pablo said:

You know, you can buy Scottish Stilton and Welsh Cheddar right?….. and please don’t claim PDO etc is all you eat…

Scottish stilton? Where from?

[pequod]

TTwiggy said:

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

Democracy is only acceptable for the right sort of animals, eh?

[TTwiggy]

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

Democracy is only acceptable for the right sort of animals, eh?

There are plenty of policies that would bar any political 'party' from being allowed to run. There have to be limits.

[Disastrous]

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

Democracy is only acceptable for the right sort of animals, eh?

Your angle is clear enough but presumably you’re also the sort who is against extremist Muslim clerics preaching hate etc and thinks they should be deported.

Why should National Conservatives have their right to Free Speech defended but not Muslim extremists?

Are they the ‘wrong sort of animals’ for your brand of democracy?

[pequod]

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

Democracy is only acceptable for the right sort of animals, eh?

There are plenty of policies that would bar any political 'party' from being allowed to run. There have to be limits.

You clearly consider they have exceeded your limits?

Would that include the Amish in America?

[otolith]

pequod said:

Would that include the Amish in America?

Have the Amish ever advocated imposing their way of life on anyone else? They don't even proselytize.

[TTwiggy]

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

pequod said:

TTwiggy said:

Do none of these loons own a history book? This is the same st from 90 years ago. Should they be banned? My natural reaction is to say no, but populism tends to play out quite badly for anyone not fitting the 'accepted parameters'.

Democracy is only acceptable for the right sort of animals, eh?

There are plenty of policies that would bar any political 'party' from being allowed to run. There have to be limits.

You clearly consider they have exceeded your limits?

Would that include the Amish in America?

Nah, you're reaching here. There's nothing in what I've said to give you a 'clear' indication at all. In fact, I actually said that my natural reaction is that they shouldn't be banned, so you can stop stroking your chin like you think you've 'got me'.

[smn159]

Bizarre that some on here would appear to happily accept a fundamentalist religious regime based on some culture war type soundbites

Creationism in schools? erosion of rights for large sections of the population? Yeah, whatever - as long as I can get some English cheese