Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5

[sisu]

s2kjock said:

sisu said:

South Korea produces 200,000 high quality 155mm shells per year.

Who is using these at the moment, or are they just for training, export local "allies"?

They have a solid production for the Asia Pacific market .

America bought 500,000 shells last year from South Korea.

[Al Gorithum]

In other shocking news, lying Brilt b#llstter says it's all the West's fault. Complete and utter C..t. Why some brain-dead morons still believe this traitor is astonishing.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-nigel-farage-...

[pingu393]

Al Gorithum said:

In other shocking news, lying Brilt b#llstter says it's all the West's fault. Complete and utter C..t. Why some brain-dead morons still believe this traitor is astonishing.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-nigel-farage-...

If you continue to annoy a bear and if you want a cuddle and it decides to rip your arm, whose fault is it?

The bear warned that if Ukraine did certain things, the bear would not be happy. Ukraine, an independent, sovereign nation decided to continue to poke the bear, and we, quite rightly, didn't discourage it.

We were wrong for annoying the bear. The bear was VERY wrong for ripping off my arm.

And, btw, the bear needs to be put down.

Edited by pingu393 on Saturday 22 June 14:08

[GliderRider]

nikaiyo2 said:

Good to see russia is finally breaking out the good stuff, they will be at the channel by Christmas.

(SFW I would think Ukrainian showing a captured turtle tank)

https://youtu.be/Zk7JrM2nLEg

Pretty shocking really.

Does anyone else thing of Mephisto, the WW1 German A7v, when they see 'turtle tanks'?



Given how virtually every car in Moscow has a dashcam, it is quite incredible that the turtle tank doesn't have any form of CCTV to give the driver and commander situational awareness.

Edited by GliderRider on Saturday 22 June 15:39

[Murph7355]

Al Gorithum said:

In other shocking news, lying Brilt b#llstter says it's all the West's fault. Complete and utter C..t. Why some brain-dead morons still believe this traitor is astonishing.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-nigel-farage-...

Did you read the article or see the Panorama interview?

If not, you are the one doing precisely what leaders like Putin want

At no point has anyone said that what Putin has done is right or justifiable.

If we are to address external threats like Putin, it's important (IMO) that we don't turn on each other and are able to have proper debate about how to tackle these problems.

Not everyone thinks like Western democracies. Thinking they do and reacting accordingly is a very big part of the problem we have.

[Killboy]

Murph7355 said:

If not, you are the one doing precisely what leaders like Putin want

At no point has anyone said that what Putin has done is right or justifiable.

Nonsense. He's giving credence to Putin's reasoning, which in turn gives him license or makes him feel justified.

I bet that will be broadcast to the entire Russian population on repeat.

[Al Gorithum]

Killboy said:

Murph7355 said:

If not, you are the one doing precisely what leaders like Putin want

At no point has anyone said that what Putin has done is right or justifiable.

Nonsense. He's giving credence to Putin's reasoning, which in turn gives him license or makes him feel justified.

I bet that will be broadcast to the entire Russian population on repeat.

Correct. He's kissing Trump and Putin's backside. Two cheeks of the same arse.

[cliffords]

I am no Farage fan but I watched his interview last night I don't hear him say what he has been accused of all day .
I don't like what he said but he absolutely did not condone the invasion and subsequent war . He did not say the west caused it he said it was the excuse Russia used.

[Killboy]

cliffords said:

I am no Farage fan but I watched his interview last night I don't hear him say what he has been accused of all day .
I don't like what he said but he absolutely did not condone the invasion and subsequent war . He did not say the west caused it he said it was the excuse Russia used.

No one is saying he condoned it. He's giving validity to Putin's premise.

[cliffords]

Killboy said:

cliffords said:

I am no Farage fan but I watched his interview last night I don't hear him say what he has been accused of all day .
I don't like what he said but he absolutely did not condone the invasion and subsequent war . He did not say the west caused it he said it was the excuse Russia used.

No one is saying he condoned it. He's giving validity to Putin's premise.

I don't see that he is explaining why Putin may have done it , and in fact said this may happen many years ago. But I can't see he is giving it validity .

[pingu393]

cliffords said:

I don't see that he is explaining why Putin may have done it , and in fact said this may happen many years ago. But I can't see he is giving it validity .

I think the problem is that you actually listened to what he said, and not what you wanted the horned devil to have said.

[Mannginger]

God I just saw a grim vid on Reddit. 3 Russians walking down a road in the middle of the day. Middle chap gets hit by a Drone, Almost immediately starts pointing to his head and the guy walking up behind just straight shoots him in the head and carries on walking. No hesitation, calm as you like.

Do they have such little hope of aid coming to them? I just can't believe how casual it all was.

I reckon that one's going to haunt me for a bit

[borcy]

Mannginger said:

God I just saw a grim vid on Reddit. 3 Russians walking down a road in the middle of the day. Middle chap gets hit by a Drone, Almost immediately starts pointing to his head and the guy walking up behind just straight shoots him in the head and carries on walking. No hesitation, calm as you like.

Do they have such little hope of aid coming to them? I just can't believe how casual it all was.

I reckon that one's going to haunt me for a bit

Their medical system is somewhat streched.
There's videos of injured Russians putting grenades next to their head and detonating them as there's little chance in some places of getting any medical attention.

[Catatafish]

cliffords said:

I am no Farage fan but I watched his interview last night I don't hear him say what he has been accused of all day .
I don't like what he said but he absolutely did not condone the invasion and subsequent war . He did not say the west caused it he said it was the excuse Russia used.

I agree and tend to ignore those who can't tolerate opposing views. Emotions do override rational thought after all.

On the rare occasions that people who were/are on the inside speak about the reality of the Ukraine war, it casts the Beeb propaganda parrot type narrative as a load of ste.

As a timely reminder, veteran UK diplomat Ian Proud demolishes several key Ukraine narrative myths on a recent episode of useful idiots.

Considering the numbers of personnel and equipment available to NATO, we are vastly larger than the Russian armed forces, and much in proximity to their border.

The reciprocal analogy would be if China had deployed half its military in Mexico and Canada and then constantly whined that the US was about to conquer the rest of the Americas if they weren't there. The US would literally go ballistic in that scenario.

[valiant]

Mannginger said:

God I just saw a grim vid on Reddit. 3 Russians walking down a road in the middle of the day. Middle chap gets hit by a Drone, Almost immediately starts pointing to his head and the guy walking up behind just straight shoots him in the head and carries on walking. No hesitation, calm as you like.

Do they have such little hope of aid coming to them? I just can't believe how casual it all was.

I reckon that one's going to haunt me for a bit

Saw that and it was harrowing.

Replies from army types indicate that it means there simply is no medivac available and they know it and the way the shooter simply does the deed without a second thought means that it’s commonplace and even expected.

This is why Russia will ultimately lose and why when this is all over and these guys return to civilian life and continue with similar attitudes the country will be fked for decades to come.

[Murph7355]

Al Gorithum said:

Killboy said:

Murph7355 said:

If not, you are the one doing precisely what leaders like Putin want

At no point has anyone said that what Putin has done is right or justifiable.

Nonsense. He's giving credence to Putin's reasoning, which in turn gives him license or makes him feel justified.

I bet that will be broadcast to the entire Russian population on repeat.

Correct. He's kissing Trump and Putin's backside. Two cheeks of the same arse.

Did either of you actually watch it? Not edited highlights etc, but the context-ful view.

He's not giving credence to Putin. He is categorically stating Putin is wrong to do what he is doing (it's very interesting, and more than a little tragic that the headline writers aren't putting "Farage notes Putin is wrong to attack Ukraine" as their copy...who is it that's selecting and emphasising what Putin should read?)..

What he is doing is stating that what the West are doing against Putin is ineffective and that this does not need hindsight. He is correct.

If we are not allowed to say this, to stop people like you calling everyone an apologist or for fear that Putin might broadcast st to his electorate (do you really think he doesn't do this anyway?), then we are doomed never to admit that we need to change our course of action. Can you not see the danger in this?

[borcy]

I've read some of proud's opinion pieces and listened to some of his interviews, he seems to keep pushing a policy that failed. But because it's his profession he's not able to let go.

[Iamnotkloot]

Possibly too bleak an assessment for my tastes but interesting nonetheless.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/germanys-trage...

[borcy]

https://x.com/igorsushko/status/180455832351956996...

Ukrainian attacks into Russia

[SlimJim16v]

Iamnotkloot said:

Possibly too bleak an assessment for my tastes but interesting nonetheless.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/germanys-trage...

Very bleak, as a worst case scenario, but it is what Germany isn't doing. Basically if Trump gets in and walks away from NATO, Europe is potentially fked.