Your voting intentions
Poll: Your voting intentions
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Discussion
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
uk66fastback said:
He didn’t say Boris was left-wing, he said he took the Tories to a centrist position, which is true. Johnson has been described as ‘a liberal, centre-ground politician’ … I don’t want a Tory party in the centre nor one on the far right, but I do want one somewhere between the two. There’s a fag paper between the two parties currently … the Tories have never been more liberal …
Liberal policies like sending immigrants off to a developing country?Or denouncing LGBTQ+ progress?
Or dictating where people work from?
etc.
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
WCZ said:
I am wondering whether reform will do better than people expect, spoke to a few people recently who said they were going to vote for reform on the basis of immigration as well as 'other parties are woke'
I expect they will achieve double-digit percentage of votes, but only 1, possibly 2 seats.pghstochaj said:
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
WCZ said:
I am wondering whether reform will do better than people expect, spoke to a few people recently who said they were going to vote for reform on the basis of immigration as well as 'other parties are woke'
Polls are a bit weird with Refrom and in particular how many seats it will convert to.Whilst they poll around 15-19% which since Farage has climbed on board has generally been pretty consistent amongst the various polling companies, translating to seats is anywhere between 3 or 4 and even over 20 in some cases so a real mishmash depending on how polling companies transposes poll results.
I think how they perform will be the story of this election. I predict a few million votes but maybe 5 or so seats but again, that’s just guesswork and I don’t think they’ll be some great breakthrough as 15-20% of the vote will only get you so far.
turbobloke said:
pghstochaj said:
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
Nevertheless, data analysis is exactly that, trying to quantify what factors influence something. Just saying "Welsh NHS is bad" without any deep review is nonsensical, let alone saying "Welsh NHS is bad because of Labour".
pghstochaj said:
turbobloke said:
pghstochaj said:
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
Nevertheless, data analysis is exactly that, trying to quantify what factors influence something. Just saying "Welsh NHS is bad" without any deep review is nonsensical, let alone saying "Welsh NHS is bad because of Labour".
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Yeah that'll be it 
The people marginalised and defenestrated by Johnson and are still very much hiding in the cupboard under the stairs at conservative party HQ are to blame for everything going to st? This bodes well for a rational and honest post mortem on July 5th. What odds will I get for a tenner on a decade of Starmerism?swisstoni said:
pghstochaj said:
turbobloke said:
pghstochaj said:
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
Nevertheless, data analysis is exactly that, trying to quantify what factors influence something. Just saying "Welsh NHS is bad" without any deep review is nonsensical, let alone saying "Welsh NHS is bad because of Labour".
pghstochaj said:
swisstoni said:
pghstochaj said:
turbobloke said:
pghstochaj said:
Hants PHer said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
We need only look at the NHS in Wales to see how much worse Labour are at 'managing the NHS', compared to Tory England. And that's despite higher healthcare funding per head than in England. See also Scotland and NI.You mean, it is necessary to analyse, in detail, why the Welsh NHS is said to perform less well than the English part of the NHS. For example, by looking at the different demographics, background health, cultures, affordability and use of private healthcare etc. Following this, it may be possible to conclude whether or not, like-for-like, the Welsh NHS is performing less well, or better than, the English NHS given the context that each organisation is working within"
It takes a few seconds to realise that, for example, the average wage in Wales is higher than in England and there is a higher proportion of the Welsh that are >65. A few more seconds to realise that deprivation is slightly worse in Wales than in England.
I know this is more complicated than the soundbite, but sometimes you have to think beyond the headline.
Some more thoughts are here:
https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/can-we-make-dir...
Nevertheless, data analysis is exactly that, trying to quantify what factors influence something. Just saying "Welsh NHS is bad" without any deep review is nonsensical, let alone saying "Welsh NHS is bad because of Labour".
Evanivitch said:
WCZ said:
I am wondering whether reform will do better than people expect, spoke to a few people recently who said they were going to vote for reform on the basis of immigration as well as 'other parties are woke'
I expect they will achieve double-digit percentage of votes, but only 1, possibly 2 seats.uk66fastback said:
He didn’t say Boris was left-wing, he said he took the Tories to a centrist position, which is true. Johnson has been described as ‘a liberal, centre-ground politician’ … I don’t want a Tory party in the centre nor one on the far right, but I do want one somewhere between the two. There’s a fag paper between the two parties currently … the Tories have never been more liberal …
Exactly. I want a right of centre 'Conservative' government, but no such party exists at the moment. I could never vote Labour for the reasons mentioned, does anybody really think that wet-wipe Starmer will hold out long against the hard left elements within Labour? I'm not expecting any miracles once they get in, I expect the usual socialist things like increased taxes all around, more spending, more 'controlled' immigration, more suicidal net-zero restrictions, and more nanny state control etc etc. Guess we will just have to grin and bear it for the duration. As for the Conservatives, well, they are a fag paper away from Labour at the moment, so they won't be getting my vote. Hope that makes my position clear! 
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