Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)

[mike9009]

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

Not sure why you would want the BBC to give any publicity to these nutters?

That's the first CC supporter utterance I've almost been lost for words for a reply. Surely You Can't Be Serious ?

Yep serious. Just stop oil are just inconveniencing the public rather than what they really want, purely for shameless publicity. Under handed tactics that wins no favour.

Their heads are in the clouds, with their intent.

I have said it before, but I reckon the UK pace of transition to net zero is about right.

[Mrr T]

swisstoni said:

I’ve entered reasonable searches into the app and the website and can’t find.
(I found a fair few historical stories about paint protests).

Odd because the protestors happily filmed themselves in the act and published.

I typed in to app.

"Women protesters spray paint aircraft"

It was the top story from 2 days ago.

[turbobloke]

The world is going to be short power. And to power these data companies you cannot have just this intermittent power like wind and solar. You need dispatchable power.

[swisstoni]

Mrr T said:

swisstoni said:

I’ve entered reasonable searches into the app and the website and can’t find.
(I found a fair few historical stories about paint protests).

Odd because the protestors happily filmed themselves in the act and published.

I typed in to app.

"Women protesters spray paint aircraft"

It was the top story from 2 days ago.

I can’t remember them all but i definitely tried ‘stanstead’ ‘protest’ ‘oil’ ‘jets’ and even Taylor Swift in various combinations and it didn’t work.

You search did work for me. But mine should have as well, as my terms are in the article several times.

[robinessex]

mike9009 said:

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

Not sure why you would want the BBC to give any publicity to these nutters?

That's the first CC supporter utterance I've almost been lost for words for a reply. Surely You Can't Be Serious ?

Yep serious. Just stop oil are just inconveniencing the public rather than what they really want, purely for shameless publicity. Under handed tactics that wins no favour.

Their heads are in the clouds, with their intent.

I have said it before, but I reckon the UK pace of transition to net zero is about right.

Boy, haven't you completely missed the point? Again? Deliberately?

[mike9009]

turbobloke said:

The world is going to be short power. And to power these data companies you cannot have just this intermittent power like wind and solar. You need dispatchable power.

Surely, other energy sources could help when it is not windy or sunshiny?? Hydro, nuclear, battery, tidal?

I am sure it is not beyond the wit of man, if we put our minds to it?

[turbobloke]

This, at RealClimateScience, has a hilarious tale from the CO2 fantasists (see numerous papers posted recently showing CO2 cannot and does not drive climate change, and the lack of a climate crisis) including the "social cost of carbon". Apart from being imaginary, see above, did they also calculate the social benefit of carbon - they mean CO2 as well as C - as the base of the global food chain and causal agent of the significant improvement in quality of life and life expectancy worldwide due to fossil fuel use? Climate politics inverts reality with ease due to blind acceptance / uncritical coverage outside The Team supporting The Cause.

https://realclimatescience.com/2024/06/science-fre...

[durbster]

turbobloke said:

...see numerous papers posted recently showing CO2 cannot and does not drive climate change,

Except (at least) one of the papers you recently posted as evidence against CO2 driving climate change actually found the exact opposite didn't it:

Kypke and Ditlevsen said:

Possible important physical drivers for the transitions include change in sea ice, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels or volcanic events.

[mike9009]

turbobloke said:

This, at RealClimateScience, has a hilarious tale from the CO2 fantasists (see numerous papers posted recently showing CO2 cannot and does not drive climate change, and the lack of a climate crisis) including the "social cost of carbon". Apart from being imaginary, see above, did they also calculate the social benefit of carbon - they mean CO2 as well as C - as the base of the global food chain and causal agent of the significant improvement in quality of life and life expectancy worldwide due to fossil fuel use? Climate politics inverts reality with ease due to blind acceptance / uncritical coverage outside The Team supporting The Cause.

https://realclimatescience.com/2024/06/science-fre...

Hilariously, the kindergarten research papers make no hypothesis about why the climate is warming. Odd that? No mini ice ages now predicted??

Just like the fossils the fuels came from, it is time to phase out the use of fossil fuels and takes advantage of more sustainable solutions. Not only for the benefits for the climate, but to remove the stranglehold the OPEC nations have on our energy security.

Edited by mike9009 on Saturday 22 June 13:16

[Diderot]

mike9009 said:

turbobloke said:

The world is going to be short power. And to power these data companies you cannot have just this intermittent power like wind and solar. You need dispatchable power.

Surely, other energy sources could help when it is not windy or sunshiny?? Hydro, nuclear, battery, tidal?

I am sure it is not beyond the wit of man, if we put our minds to it?

Mike, you obviously didn’t click on the link did you!

[mike9009]

Diderot said:

mike9009 said:

turbobloke said:

The world is going to be short power. And to power these data companies you cannot have just this intermittent power like wind and solar. You need dispatchable power.

Surely, other energy sources could help when it is not windy or sunshiny?? Hydro, nuclear, battery, tidal?

I am sure it is not beyond the wit of man, if we put our minds to it?

Mike, you obviously didn’t click on the link did you!

No well, I did but couldn't spend 50 minutes on it.

Why was my answer incorrect?

[Diderot]

mike9009 said:

Diderot said:

mike9009 said:

turbobloke said:

The world is going to be short power. And to power these data companies you cannot have just this intermittent power like wind and solar. You need dispatchable power.

Surely, other energy sources could help when it is not windy or sunshiny?? Hydro, nuclear, battery, tidal?

I am sure it is not beyond the wit of man, if we put our minds to it?

Mike, you obviously didn’t click on the link did you!

No well, I did but couldn't spend 50 minutes on it.

Why was my answer incorrect?

Ha! It’s all about the need for nuclear energy, but it’s revealed in the first few seconds.

[J210]

I thought cloud geo engineering was a right wing conspiracy theory

Cloud geoengineering could push heatwaves from US to Europe.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2436377-cloud...

[mike9009]

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

Not sure why you would want the BBC to give any publicity to these nutters?

That's the first CC supporter utterance I've almost been lost for words for a reply. Surely You Can't Be Serious ?

Yep serious. Just stop oil are just inconveniencing the public rather than what they really want, purely for shameless publicity. Under handed tactics that wins no favour.

Their heads are in the clouds, with their intent.

I have said it before, but I reckon the UK pace of transition to net zero is about right.

Boy, haven't you completely missed the point? Again? Deliberately?

Sorry? Can you explain? Seemed like a reasonable retort?

[robinessex]

mike9009 said:

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

robinessex said:

mike9009 said:

Not sure why you would want the BBC to give any publicity to these nutters?

That's the first CC supporter utterance I've almost been lost for words for a reply. Surely You Can't Be Serious ?

Yep serious. Just stop oil are just inconveniencing the public rather than what they really want, purely for shameless publicity. Under handed tactics that wins no favour.

Their heads are in the clouds, with their intent.

I have said it before, but I reckon the UK pace of transition to net zero is about right.

Boy, haven't you completely missed the point? Again? Deliberately?

Sorry? Can you explain? Seemed like a reasonable retort?

I think Durbs has been giving you lessons here. Try a bit of mental effort, it's not a difficult question unless you choose to be deliberately obtuse.

[mike9009]

robinessex said:

I think Durbs has been giving you lessons here. Try a bit of mental effort, it's not a difficult question unless you choose to be deliberately obtuse.

Just ask me a direct question that I can answer. That is all I ask. My telepathy is letting me down....

[donkmeister]

turbobloke said:

Diderot said:

turbobloke said:

donkmeister said:

robinessex said:

Just Stop Oil spray paint private jets and ‘target Taylor Swift’s plane’ at Stansted Airport

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ju...

Not one word about this on the Beeb. No surprise there then.

Not one word... Apart from the BBC article about it, and the follow up that names the two suspects.

Seriously, every time. "Well it wasn't on MY feed", so bloody look for it then.

Also, just because something isn't reported doesn't mean a conspiracy to hide the news; the Morning Star didn't report on Thatcher's death on the day it happened, which I found very surprising. Turned out they were just crap, and the day after they'd done all their articles about how her pubes were made of barbed wire and she ate orphans or something.

It can be a matter of timing. A report can appear at a point after a comment is made.

It’s not showing for me on the website (on my iPad) right now. Not in the Clmate or news section. Searched for Taylor Swift, nothing. Searched JSO, the latest article is about the pricks trying to damage Stonehenge.

Not showing here either. It's possible an activist tickled Rowlatt's belly and the article vanished, as per Jo Abbess influencing Harrabin's headline using pester power, possible but unlikely.

ETA well spotted.

No, still there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck55kedn98jo

[mike9009]

donkmeister said:

No, still there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck55kedn98jo

Stop spoiling the conspiracy.....

[donkmeister]

mike9009 said:

donkmeister said:

No, still there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck55kedn98jo

Stop spoiling the conspiracy.....

Sorry.

I meant to say it's been censored by the wokerati, and doesn't mention "Taylor Swift", "Just Stop Oil", "Stansted", what the people did and what their names are. Grrrrr, bloody wokerati.

[turbobloke]

It's good of Mystic Met to warn people about summer. Having had autumn through April, May and most of June nobody would have noticed. It's a miracle UK humans survived perfectly well for hundreds of years and more without such assistance.

It was disappointing on visiting their alternative health service webpage not to see "don't run with scissors" but they may get round to that if the politics suits.