Your voting intentions
Poll: Your voting intentions
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Discussion
turbobloke said:
Kermit power said:
turbobloke said:
Kermit power said:
Tom8 said:
I still find it bonkers that we chuck benefits at people on good incomes for child benefit. Our issue is such a massive bloated welfare system, none of it encouraging anyone to work. I don't blame those who claim or don't work because why would you when you are better off staying at home and breeding?
This is one of the toxic legacies created by Blair and Brown, redistributing in the form of Tax Credits (all about the branding). Problem is that it is easy to give but very hard to take away and sadly the 14 years of tory government have done nothing to undo this. PFI was one of the other major contributors although that is far harder to undo.
If people are better off "staying at home and breeding", why do we have such a big problem with an ageing population?This is one of the toxic legacies created by Blair and Brown, redistributing in the form of Tax Credits (all about the branding). Problem is that it is easy to give but very hard to take away and sadly the 14 years of tory government have done nothing to undo this. PFI was one of the other major contributors although that is far harder to undo.
The ageing population is a 'big problem'? If so, blame the NHS.
Dodge the issue by all means.
In 1950 there were 6 working age adults for every pensioner. Today that has fallen below 3 even with lots of working age immigrants coming into the country.
I'm assuming you don't think the NHS are responsible for falling birth rates, so came to the conclusion that you thought they were keeping too many old people alive?
One thing for certain is that nobody with a modicum of awareness can possibly claim that we don't have a problem with our ageing demographic profile unless they're already old enough and selfish enough not to care what they'll leave behind them.
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
You know I’m fed up with throwing ever increasing amounts of money at the NHS. It’s a monolithic badly run organisation that needs radical reform or scrapping completely imo. Trouble is it’d be political suicide for any party to say as much.Never forget.
A week to go here's where I stand at the moment. I have been a Conservative voter all my life, but not this time. I could never vote Labour as Socialism / Communism is a vile philosophy that has failed everywhere that it has been imposed on a population. I won't be voting Conservative as thanks to Boris they have moved more to the left than ever before and shown themselves to be a bunch of absolute clowns shysters and conmen. Good riddance to them! There is no Reform candidate standing in my constituency so it's going to be a spoiled ballot for me. After the election looks like we are going to have to put up with a dose of hardcore Socialism for a while. Like an illness, we might as well get it over and done with as quickly as possible, I give it 18 months before it all collapses in a pile of fail, hopefully by them we might have a party with actual Conservative values that might be worth voting for.
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
And again according to the funding more the an extra £350 million a week is being spent on the NHS - with little to nowt to show for it.Never forget.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/...
Jinx said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
And again according to the funding more the an extra £350 million a week is being spent on the NHS - with little to nowt to show for it.Never forget.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/...
swisstoni said:
It actually falls to a Labour party with a massive majority to set about tackling the highly unionised monolith that is the NHS.
They won't, for the reason I added. Regardless of party though, there are simply too many people employed by the NHS now for there to be any kind of rationalisation - even if it's sacred cow status could be challenged the rise in unemployment from suddenly removing layers of unproductive bureaucracy would instantly kill the project stone dead. The media and the opposition would eat you for breakfast.
You could do it through natural wastage (ie. not recruiting for those positions you don't need) but it would take years.
Jinx said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
And again according to the funding more the an extra £350 million a week is being spent on the NHS - with little to nowt to show for it.Never forget.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/...
768 said:
Jinx said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
And again according to the funding more the an extra £350 million a week is being spent on the NHS - with little to nowt to show for it.Never forget.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/...
Tom8 said:
Jinx said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
Anyone thinking of voting Tory should watch the dispatches NHS program last night about Shrewsbury hospital. Then come back to this thread and try to defend it.
Never forget.
And again according to the funding more the an extra £350 million a week is being spent on the NHS - with little to nowt to show for it.Never forget.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/...
But there is no joined up thinking. You expect governments should do that where smaller groups can’t… and that’s the entire reason for a central government.
They’re all utterly rubbish. They all fail miserably each stint they have.
Thus, imo, it’s the system itself that’s at fault.
Party politics is likely a big part of that in my view. 3-4yr horizon, and if they screw up they sit out for a bit then get voted back in next time round.
GSE said:
A week to go here's where I stand at the moment. I have been a Conservative voter all my life, but not this time. I could never vote Labour as Socialism / Communism is a vile philosophy that has failed everywhere that it has been imposed on a population. I won't be voting Conservative as thanks to Boris they have moved more to the left than ever before and shown themselves to be a bunch of absolute clowns shysters and conmen. Good riddance to them! There is no Reform candidate standing in my constituency so it's going to be a spoiled ballot for me. After the election looks like we are going to have to put up with a dose of hardcore Socialism for a while. Like an illness, we might as well get it over and done with as quickly as possible, I give it 18 months before it all collapses in a pile of fail, hopefully by them we might have a party with actual Conservative values that might be worth voting for.
That's an interesting parallel universe!He didn’t say Boris was left-wing, he said he took the Tories to a centrist position, which is true. Johnson has been described as ‘a liberal, centre-ground politician’ … I don’t want a Tory party in the centre nor one on the far right, but I do want one somewhere between the two. There’s a fag paper between the two parties currently … the Tories have never been more liberal …
uk66fastback said:
He didn’t say Boris was left-wing, he said he took the Tories to a centrist position, which is true. Johnson has been described as ‘a liberal, centre-ground politician’ … I don’t want a Tory party in the centre nor one on the far right, but I do want one somewhere between the two. There’s a fag paper between the two parties currently … the Tories have never been more liberal …
The danger imo is the left wing influence of Labour & the Unions all coming to the fore after the election.bad company said:
uk66fastback said:
He didn’t say Boris was left-wing, he said he took the Tories to a centrist position, which is true. Johnson has been described as ‘a liberal, centre-ground politician’ … I don’t want a Tory party in the centre nor one on the far right, but I do want one somewhere between the two. There’s a fag paper between the two parties currently … the Tories have never been more liberal …
The danger imo is the left wing influence of Labour & the Unions all coming to the fore after the election.GSE said:
A week to go here's where I stand at the moment. I have been a Conservative voter all my life, but not this time. I could never vote Labour as Socialism / Communism is a vile philosophy that has failed everywhere that it has been imposed on a population. I won't be voting Conservative as thanks to Boris they have moved more to the left than ever before and shown themselves to be a bunch of absolute clowns shysters and conmen. Good riddance to them! There is no Reform candidate standing in my constituency so it's going to be a spoiled ballot for me. After the election looks like we are going to have to put up with a dose of hardcore Socialism for a while. Like an illness, we might as well get it over and done with as quickly as possible, I give it 18 months before it all collapses in a pile of fail, hopefully by them we might have a party with actual Conservative values that might be worth voting for.
Mate its still worth voting Conservative even just to narrow down how many seats Liebour get.
Kermit power said:
GSE said:
A week to go here's where I stand at the moment. I have been a Conservative voter all my life, but not this time. I could never vote Labour as Socialism / Communism is a vile philosophy that has failed everywhere that it has been imposed on a population. I won't be voting Conservative as thanks to Boris they have moved more to the left than ever before and shown themselves to be a bunch of absolute clowns shysters and conmen. Good riddance to them! There is no Reform candidate standing in my constituency so it's going to be a spoiled ballot for me. After the election looks like we are going to have to put up with a dose of hardcore Socialism for a while. Like an illness, we might as well get it over and done with as quickly as possible, I give it 18 months before it all collapses in a pile of fail, hopefully by them we might have a party with actual Conservative values that might be worth voting for.
That's an interesting parallel universe!In my fantasy political world, the Conservatives win and Braverman and Farage unite with the Tufton Street loons to create a right wing idyll for the UK.
EmBe said:
swisstoni said:
It actually falls to a Labour party with a massive majority to set about tackling the highly unionised monolith that is the NHS.
They won't, for the reason I added. Regardless of party though, there are simply too many people employed by the NHS now for there to be any kind of rationalisation - even if it's sacred cow status could be challenged the rise in unemployment from suddenly removing layers of unproductive bureaucracy would instantly kill the project stone dead. The media and the opposition would eat you for breakfast.
You could do it through natural wastage (ie. not recruiting for those positions you don't need) but it would take years.
That said, if the NHS is heavily unionised, then only a socialist government can attempt to make changes to it. It has the ability to have a dialogue with unions to allow change.
A governent of any other shade will (and probably has) been met with closed ranks and industrial action.
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