Liz Truss Ex-Prime Minister

[Pitre]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

bhstewie said:

Because they asked the members and the membership are nuts.

Racist, rather than nuts. I'm no fan of Sunak, but anyone with a choice between him and her objectively could never pick her. If he was white, he would have won that membership vote with a 95%+ share of the vote.

True.

[the tribester]

I'm actually pleased Truss lost her seat, hopefully someone will explain slowly to her why.

It's still a bit galling that she is still entitled to claim the £115k PA Public Duties Costs Allowance for her 40 odd days served as PM.

[bitchstewie]

Two ways of looking at it.

Galling is one.

Or it's excellent value for helping ensure that she and her colleagues are kept out of public office for what is looking like a very very long time.

[eharding]

The Hypno-Toad said:

You’d like to hope that this is the last we will see of this delusional, narcissistic, rude, self centred person but I would imagine every time a broadcaster wants a voice to complain about the new government in the most insane and batst manner possible, she’ll be the one they will turn to.

I'm not so sure - Farage manages to keep his high media profile due to his extreme marmite nature - some people clearly love him to bits and lap up every last grifting syllable, whereas others watch, listen or read what he as to say just so they can hate, despise and loath him even more - either way the media get their clicks and views, so they're happy.

Truss on the other hand comes across like Freddy Kruger dragging his claws down a chalkboard. Freddy might at the same time actually be mellifluously delivering the opening of Under Milk Wood flawlessly in the style of Richard Burton, but it doesn't matter - people just want the awful, dreadful noise to stop.

Truss isn't Marmite, she's Dogshyte, and nobody wants that.

[S600BSB]

Pitre said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

bhstewie said:

Because they asked the members and the membership are nuts.

Racist, rather than nuts. I'm no fan of Sunak, but anyone with a choice between him and her objectively could never pick her. If he was white, he would have won that membership vote with a 95%+ share of the vote.

True.

Agree

[AstonZagato]

Pitre said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

bhstewie said:

Because they asked the members and the membership are nuts.

Racist, rather than nuts. I'm no fan of Sunak, but anyone with a choice between him and her objectively could never pick her. If he was white, he would have won that membership vote with a 95%+ share of the vote.

True.

Nonsense. They might have made a mad choice but it more down to Rishi being deemed to be the person that knifed their (the membership's) beloved BoJo than any racism. Compounded, as stated above, by the parliamentary party, conspiring to force out anyone else for whom they may have wanted to vote. Finally, Truss was seen by the membership as potentially running a Thatcherite growth / right wing agenda.

Therefore, spite, anger and madness all were more important than racism, IMHO.

[bitchstewie]

AstonZagato said:

Nonsense. They might have made a mad choice but it more down to Rishi being deemed to be the person that knifed their (the membership's) beloved BoJo than any racism. Compounded, as stated above, by the parliamentary party, conspiring to force out anyone else for whom they may have wanted to vote. Finally, Truss was seen by the membership as potentially running a Thatcherite growth / right wing agenda.

Therefore, spite, anger and madness all were more important than racism, IMHO.

That's closer to where I'd be on it than thinking it's Sunak's ethnicity.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a small number for whom it did play a part but I think it was overwhelmingly what you said.

Sad thing is I have a feeling the nutters would have Truss or Johnson back tomorrow given the chance.

[AstonZagato]

bhstewie said:

That's closer to where I'd be on it than thinking it's Sunak's ethnicity.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a small number for whom it did play a part but I think it was overwhelmingly what you said.

Sad thing is I have a feeling the nutters would have Truss or Johnson back tomorrow given the chance.

BoJo would walk it if his name ever got to the membership - which tells you all you need to know about how mad they are. That is despite all the evidence - to use a Tacitus quote "omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset" ("all would have agreed that he was worthy of the highest office, if he had never held it").

The Tory membership are mad - which is why the MPs probably need to chose someone (which they won't - they'll fight like rats in a sack).

Edited by AstonZagato on Saturday 6th July 16:48

[shtu]

bhstewie said:

AstonZagato said:

Nonsense. They might have made a mad choice but it more down to Rishi being deemed to be the person that knifed their (the membership's) beloved BoJo than any racism. Compounded, as stated above, by the parliamentary party, conspiring to force out anyone else for whom they may have wanted to vote. Finally, Truss was seen by the membership as potentially running a Thatcherite growth / right wing agenda.

Therefore, spite, anger and madness all were more important than racism, IMHO.

That's closer to where I'd be on it than thinking it's Sunak's ethnicity.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a small number for whom it did play a part but I think it was overwhelmingly what you said.

Sad thing is I have a feeling the nutters would have Truss or Johnson back tomorrow given the chance.

Perhaps, but it's worth remembering they were given a choice of,

- Sombre man talking financial reailty.
- A Maggie Thatcher cosplay telling them what they wanted to hear.

[Catweazle]

shtu said:

bhstewie said:

AstonZagato said:

Nonsense. They might have made a mad choice but it more down to Rishi being deemed to be the person that knifed their (the membership's) beloved BoJo than any racism. Compounded, as stated above, by the parliamentary party, conspiring to force out anyone else for whom they may have wanted to vote. Finally, Truss was seen by the membership as potentially running a Thatcherite growth / right wing agenda.

Therefore, spite, anger and madness all were more important than racism, IMHO.

That's closer to where I'd be on it than thinking it's Sunak's ethnicity.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a small number for whom it did play a part but I think it was overwhelmingly what you said.

Sad thing is I have a feeling the nutters would have Truss or Johnson back tomorrow given the chance.

Perhaps, but it's worth remembering they were given a choice of,

- Sombre man talking financial reailty.
- A Maggie Thatcher cosplay telling them what they wanted to hear.

Neither of which they wanted. If Sunak's supporters had allowed Mordaunt to stand in the final two, they would have elected her and he would probably still have been chancellor. People don't like being so obviously manipulated. Rishi was the Prime Minister the members didn't want and he has been dumped at the earliest opportunity.

[JagLover]

shtu said:

- Sombre man talking financial reailty.
- A Maggie Thatcher cosplay telling them what they wanted to hear.

Summed it up better than I did

I backed Sunak over Truss, but there are many reasons other than the default accusations of racism to explain why the membership preferred Truss.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

bhstewie said:

Because they asked the members and the membership are nuts.

Racist, rather than nuts. I'm no fan of Sunak, but anyone with a choice between him and her objectively could never pick her. If he was white, he would have won that membership vote with a 95%+ share of the vote.

tut tut.

The choice was thatcherism vs. creeping soft socialism.

[crofty1984]

eharding said:

bhstewie said:

Beans next to Toast.

Has beans vs. Has been

Bravo both.

[ATG]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

bhstewie said:

Because they asked the members and the membership are nuts.

Racist, rather than nuts. I'm no fan of Sunak, but anyone with a choice between him and her objectively could never pick her. If he was white, he would have won that membership vote with a 95%+ share of the vote.

tut tut.

The choice was thatcherism vs. creeping soft socialism.

You think Truss represented Thatcherism??? A gaping hole in fiscal policy is Thatcherism???

[Skeptisk]

Can the mods please change title to “ex PM / ex MP”?

[Carl_VivaEspana]

ATG said:

You think Truss represented Thatcherism??? A gaping hole in fiscal policy is Thatcherism???

Yes, the budget (with one big exception) was Thatcherite and the regulation, spending cuts coming after, in another budget, would have cemented it.

The one exception was the energy support plan.

The outpouring of dislike, memes and general, continual dislike of her are mostly due to the fact that she represents Thatcherism.

Does the UK have a gaping hole in fiscal policy that Thatcherism needs to address? It's a bit moot now but the UK needs to find a 10-12% GDP boost or, cut 10% of total spending or, raise taxes by 10-12% or, a combination of both.

The proposal was to grow by stimulating the private sector and the middle classes but its now the latter, with the implied consequences attached to said parties (the private sector and middle classes).

[Baroque attacks]

Skeptisk said:

Can the mods please change title to “ex PM / ex MP”?

“ex PM / ex MP, but still a lunatic”

[tangerine_sedge]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

The outpouring of dislike, memes and general, continual dislike of her are mostly due to the fact that she represents Thatcherism.

No it's not. It's because even by Tory MP standards she stands out as profoundly fking weird. She sounds like someone is telling her what to say through an earpiece with a 10 second delay and is dead behind the eyes. The fact that she continues to spout nonsense and fails to recognise her own responsibility for her downfall just cements the sociopath image she projects.

But other than that, I can see why the Tory party members thought she'd do a good job /sarcasm.

[skwdenyer]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

ATG said:

You think Truss represented Thatcherism??? A gaping hole in fiscal policy is Thatcherism???

Yes, the budget (with one big exception) was Thatcherite and the regulation, spending cuts coming after, in another budget, would have cemented it.

The one exception was the energy support plan.

The outpouring of dislike, memes and general, continual dislike of her are mostly due to the fact that she represents Thatcherism.

Does the UK have a gaping hole in fiscal policy that Thatcherism needs to address? It's a bit moot now but the UK needs to find a 10-12% GDP boost or, cut 10% of total spending or, raise taxes by 10-12% or, a combination of both.

The proposal was to grow by stimulating the private sector and the middle classes but its now the latter, with the implied consequences attached to said parties (the private sector and middle classes).

The story was that the private sector would be stimulated. But there was no evidence her proposals would achieve that. Corporate tax cuts don’t make businesses more profitable - they simply allow more money to be paid in dividends by those that are.

A proper pro-growth corporate tax strategy would be something like:

“Corporation tax rate is 0% for profits retained and reinvested, but 35% for profits distributed. Dividends must be paid from retained cash. Allowable interest is capped at BoE base + 100bp on related party loans. Transfer pricing rules are tightened up.”

We need growth, not profit-taking.

[eharding]

tangerine_sedge said:

Carl_VivaEspana said:

The outpouring of dislike, memes and general, continual dislike of her are mostly due to the fact that she represents Thatcherism.

No it's not. It's because even by Tory MP standards she stands out as profoundly fking weird. She sounds like someone is telling her what to say through an earpiece with a 10 second delay and is dead behind the eyes. The fact that she continues to spout nonsense and fails to recognise her own responsibility for her downfall just cements the sociopath image she projects.

But other than that, I can see why the Tory party members thought she'd do a good job /sarcasm.

Like her or not, Maggie shed more intellectual and political ability every time she trimmed her toenails than Truss possesses in her entire body and soul.