Liz Truss Ex-Prime Minister

[tangerine_sedge]

Timothy Bucktu said:

bhstewie said:

Dear oh dear first Bannon now this.

Jess Phillips calls on Prime Minister to deselect Liz Truss over interview on ‘hateful platform’

Hateful platform? Oh dear...I'd better cancel my monthly subs to The Lotus Eaters then...
5 or 10 years under Labour is going to be...interesting times.

Your posting history starts to make sense now ...

[smn159]

bhstewie said:

fking hell

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1796967843491...

Jesus wept... is she on drugs?

the right wing circles that she's in now clearly think of equality and human rights as bad things, but she just sounds like a complete loon outside of that bubble

[bitchstewie]

Timothy Bucktu said:

Hateful platform? Oh dear...I'd better cancel my monthly subs to The Lotus Eaters then...
5 or 10 years under Labour is going to be...interesting times.

Depends where you sit on Benjamin's "I wouldn’t even rape you" comments to Jess Phillips I suppose.

I think it's (more) spectacularly poor judgement from a former Prime Minister who should know better.

Though I really don't think she does.

[Timothy Bucktu]

tangerine_sedge said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

bhstewie said:

Dear oh dear first Bannon now this.

Jess Phillips calls on Prime Minister to deselect Liz Truss over interview on ‘hateful platform’

Hateful platform? Oh dear...I'd better cancel my monthly subs to The Lotus Eaters then...
5 or 10 years under Labour is going to be...interesting times.

Your posting history starts to make sense now ...

Excellent...I'm glad you took the time to check me out. Thanks.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Timothy Bucktu said:

bhstewie said:

Dear oh dear first Bannon now this.

Jess Phillips calls on Prime Minister to deselect Liz Truss over interview on ‘hateful platform’

Hateful platform? Oh dear...I'd better cancel my monthly subs to The Lotus Eaters then...
5 or 10 years under Labour is going to be...interesting times.

Opens website of said ‘hateful platform’
Sees interviews with a priest and (separately) an interview with a former page 3 model

[gamefreaks]

TTwiggy said:

gamefreaks said:

Hard not to disagree. I can't think of anyone who did more, indelible damage to our country than Blair and Browns governments.

Have you slept through the last 14 years?

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

[Evanivitch]

gamefreaks said:

Hard not to disagree. I can't think of anyone who did more, indelible damage to our country than Blair and Browns governments.

Boris?

- Pushed for Brexit vote
- Got us a terrible brexit deal
- Chose a lockdown strategy but applied weeks too late
- Chose a state support strategy but ploughed it into fraudulent claims and businesses
- Turned the governing party into a joke, with constant changing leaders
- Pushed national debt to new limits

Edited by Evanivitch on Sunday 2nd June 19:21

[Rivenink]

Evanivitch said:

gamefreaks said:

Hard not to disagree. I can't think of anyone who did more, indelible damage to our country than Blair and Browns governments.

Boris?

- Pushed for Brexit vote
- Got us a terrible brexit deal
- Chose a lockdown strategy but applied weeks too late
- Chose a state support strategy but ploughed it into fraudulent claims and businesses
- Turned the governing party into a joke, with constant changing leaders
- Pushed national debt to new limits

Edited by Evanivitch on Sunday 2nd June 19:21

I'll throw Cameron into the ring for this match up.

A reckless gambler who held two referendums without proper planning for what should happen if the vote was not with the status quo.

All of the chaos from 2016 through to 2020 can be laid squarely on shoulders for not doing any kind of planning or preperation.

I dread to think how bitter, acrimonious and disasterous things would have gotten had Scotland chosen to leave the UK and become independent.

Undoubtedly it was part of the campiagn strategy, "project fear" as it were.


For me, Cameron takes the crown for worst PM.

[Evanivitch]

Rivenink said:

I'll throw Cameron into the ring for this match up.

...

For me, Cameron takes the crown for worst PM.

I think you've done Jim a favour by not mentioning being at the helm for 6 years of austerity, effectively cutting the economy off at the kneecaps.

[skwdenyer]

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

[anonymoususer]

Liz Truss is IMO one of the major political talents of recent years
If you think about it then you will realise that it's mainly women who have had the most success in recent years.
I shall list 3

Liz Truss
Nicola Sturgeon
Jo Swinson

They came, they conquered, they will not be forgotten

[Derek Smith]

Rivenink said:

I'll throw Cameron into the ring for this match up.

A reckless gambler who held two referendums without proper planning for what should happen if the vote was not with the status quo.

All of the chaos from 2016 through to 2020 can be laid squarely on shoulders for not doing any kind of planning or preperation.

I dread to think how bitter, acrimonious and disasterous things would have gotten had Scotland chosen to leave the UK and become independent.

Undoubtedly it was part of the campiagn strategy, "project fear" as it were.


For me, Cameron takes the crown for worst PM.

I was having a chat with a left-leaning neighbour on the subject of recent tory PMs. We both agreed that, out of them all, May did the least damage. By no means perfect, by no means adequate, but merely the best of the bunch.

It's a sobering thought.

[Timothy Bucktu]

James6112 said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

bhstewie said:

Dear oh dear first Bannon now this.

Jess Phillips calls on Prime Minister to deselect Liz Truss over interview on ‘hateful platform’

Hateful platform? Oh dear...I'd better cancel my monthly subs to The Lotus Eaters then...
5 or 10 years under Labour is going to be...interesting times.

Your posting history starts to make sense now ...

Excellent...I'm glad you took the time to check me out. Thanks.

Doesn’t need checking out.
Just a familiar name from the conspiracy nutter threads that are best avoided (but a laugh to look at!)

I'm flattered

[jdw100]

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

Blair and crew were in power from my mid/late twenties into my mid thirties.

Which generation were fked?

Mine, the younger or older group?

[Byker28i]

Derek Smith said:

Rivenink said:

I'll throw Cameron into the ring for this match up.

A reckless gambler who held two referendums without proper planning for what should happen if the vote was not with the status quo.

All of the chaos from 2016 through to 2020 can be laid squarely on shoulders for not doing any kind of planning or preperation.

I dread to think how bitter, acrimonious and disasterous things would have gotten had Scotland chosen to leave the UK and become independent.

Undoubtedly it was part of the campiagn strategy, "project fear" as it were.


For me, Cameron takes the crown for worst PM.

I was having a chat with a left-leaning neighbour on the subject of recent tory PMs. We both agreed that, out of them all, May did the least damage. By no means perfect, by no means adequate, but merely the best of the bunch.

It's a sobering thought.

Cameron seemed a voice of reason and doing OK until he fked up over Brexit

[Electro1980]

skwdenyer said:

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

Plus Tories increased tuition fees from “that’s irritating” to “HOW MUCH???”.

[Riff Raff]

skwdenyer said:

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

I'm not sure that the demise of private sector defined benefit schemes can be laid solely at the feet of Gordon Brown. Before Brown did his thing, Nigel Lawson had a bit of a raid on pension scheme surpluses. Changes in accounting standards meant that fund deficits had to be accounted for in company accounts. Actuarial valuations of fund future liabilities were often a bit more pessimistic than they might have been. The long term low interest rate environment didn't help.

Personally, I think that the changes in accounting standards would eventually have done for private sector defined benefit schemes without any help from GB. By moving to defined contribution instead of defined benefit schemes, companies are effectively de-risking their balance sheets from events in their pension funds over which they have little actual control.

It's really quite complicated. But it is quite easy to point the finger at Gordon Brown.

[skwdenyer]

Riff Raff said:

skwdenyer said:

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

I'm not sure that the demise of private sector defined benefit schemes can be laid solely at the feet of Gordon Brown. Before Brown did his thing, Nigel Lawson had a bit of a raid on pension scheme surpluses. Changes in accounting standards meant that fund deficits had to be accounted for in company accounts. Actuarial valuations of fund future liabilities were often a bit more pessimistic than they might have been. The long term low interest rate environment didn't help.

Personally, I think that the changes in accounting standards would eventually have done for private sector defined benefit schemes without any help from GB. By moving to defined contribution instead of defined benefit schemes, companies are effectively de-risking their balance sheets from events in their pension funds over which they have little actual control.

It's really quite complicated. But it is quite easy to point the finger at Gordon Brown.

Well put. Nonetheless the principle of taxing pension interest was hard to justify IMHO.

[Wombat3]

skwdenyer said:

Riff Raff said:

skwdenyer said:

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

I'm not sure that the demise of private sector defined benefit schemes can be laid solely at the feet of Gordon Brown. Before Brown did his thing, Nigel Lawson had a bit of a raid on pension scheme surpluses. Changes in accounting standards meant that fund deficits had to be accounted for in company accounts. Actuarial valuations of fund future liabilities were often a bit more pessimistic than they might have been. The long term low interest rate environment didn't help.

Personally, I think that the changes in accounting standards would eventually have done for private sector defined benefit schemes without any help from GB. By moving to defined contribution instead of defined benefit schemes, companies are effectively de-risking their balance sheets from events in their pension funds over which they have little actual control.

It's really quite complicated. But it is quite easy to point the finger at Gordon Brown.

Well put. Nonetheless the principle of taxing pension interest was hard to justify IMHO.

It was dividends that he removed the tax credit for. It was an easy target. Having been elected on a carefully worded false promise of not raising taxes he just saw an easy £5Bn a year to piss up the wall on his pet projects (and then hiked NI for good measure anyway).

The compounded value of that £5Bn per year over the subsequent 20+ years is a staggering amount of money that could & should have been in the pension funds instead.

I'd also agree with the above about the Lisbon treaty issue being part of the origins of Brexit. It wasn't the content of the treaty itself but the high-handed way that it was dealt with by Brown & co. Despite a commitment for a referendum on any future treaties he had to argue that we didn't need one / shouldn't have one because the treaty was not really a treaty at all (even though it was and still is called a treaty by everyone across the EU.!)

Then there was the small matter of the Irish being asked to vote again because they gave the wrong answer.

That sort of behaviour by both our own and the EU governments did not sit well with the man on the Clapham Omnibus. They were sIgnificant errors of judgement IMO.

Giving away half the EU rebate, opening the door wide to immigration. selling the gold at silly prices & strapping us up for £350Bn in PFI commitments of very dubious value for money were also not especially clever either.

[Prolex-UK]

Wombat3 said:

skwdenyer said:

Riff Raff said:

skwdenyer said:

gamefreaks said:

No. Have you? The Conservatives have done fk all for the last 14 years and defaulted to a meddling, nannying and tinkering around the edges.

Labour on the other hand, fked an entire generation.

It was Gordon Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty sowing the seeds for Brexit.

It was under Labour that house prices doubled in real terms.

It was under Labour that tuition fees were introduced.

It was under Labour we saw a doubling of net migration to the UK.

It was under Labour that pension dividend tax relief was abolished ending defined benefit pensions for most people in the private sector.

Thats just off the top of my head...

House prices doubled in real terms from 1982 to 1989, too. We’re all so much more prosperous when that happens, don’t you know?

I agree with you about pensions.

The Dearing report that proposed tuition fees was a Tory creation. Major massively expanded enrolment. Blair was left to pay for it. Since Labour has been elected on a platform of not increasing taxes, it was inevitable tuition fees would arise. Personally I’d prefer a graduate tax or alternative approach, but it doesn’t seem the worst idea. But it is also easily reversible.

The Lisbon Treaty is a red herring. Nothing the Brexiteers opposed was dependent upon it.

Net migration is an interesting one. It near-tripled under Major. Why not call him out?

I'm not sure that the demise of private sector defined benefit schemes can be laid solely at the feet of Gordon Brown. Before Brown did his thing, Nigel Lawson had a bit of a raid on pension scheme surpluses. Changes in accounting standards meant that fund deficits had to be accounted for in company accounts. Actuarial valuations of fund future liabilities were often a bit more pessimistic than they might have been. The long term low interest rate environment didn't help.

Personally, I think that the changes in accounting standards would eventually have done for private sector defined benefit schemes without any help from GB. By moving to defined contribution instead of defined benefit schemes, companies are effectively de-risking their balance sheets from events in their pension funds over which they have little actual control.

It's really quite complicated. But it is quite easy to point the finger at Gordon Brown.

Well put. Nonetheless the principle of taxing pension interest was hard to justify IMHO.

It was dividends that he removed the tax credit for. It was an easy target. Having been elected on a carefully worded false promise of not raising taxes he just saw an easy £5Bn a year to piss up the wall on his pet projects (and then hiked NI for good measure anyway).

The compounded value of that £5Bn per year over the subsequent 20+ years is a staggering amount of money that could & should have been in the pension funds instead.

I'd also agree with the above about the Lisbon treaty issue being part of the origins of Brexit. It wasn't the content of the treaty itself but the high-handed way that it was dealt with by Brown & co. Despite a commitment for a referendum on any future treaties he had to argue that we didn't need one / shouldn't have one because the treaty was not really a treaty at all (even though it was and still is called a treaty by everyone across the EU.!)

Then there was the small matter of the Irish being asked to vote again because they gave the wrong answer.

That sort of behaviour by both our own and the EU governments did not sit well with the man on the Clapham Omnibus. They were sIgnificant errors of judgement IMO.

Giving away half the EU rebate, opening the door wide to immigration. selling the gold at silly prices & strapping us up for £350Bn in PFI commitments of very dubious value for money were also not especially clever either.

PFI was/is a disaster