Your voting intentions

[turbobloke]

CivicDuties said:

EmBe said:

Kermit power said:

I say "properly working PR" because I don't see that in much of Europe at the moment. Their mainstream parties have taken an arrogant, paternalistic approach to voters there who are increasingly expressing their malcontent and voting for the far right by refusing to recognise that disenfranchisement and effectively replicating our own situation by refusing to either change their own policies or work with the Far Right in coalition. It should really come as no surprise that all that does is to exacerbate the situation even further.

PR, like communism Brexit works better in theory than in practice because neither factors in human nature.

It does work, honest, but it's just never been done properly. Now if my communistsmy Brexiteers were in charge.....

Works also for Brexit, another faith based political fantasy.

Opinion not fact, obviously.

[CivicDuties]

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

EmBe said:

Kermit power said:

I say "properly working PR" because I don't see that in much of Europe at the moment. Their mainstream parties have taken an arrogant, paternalistic approach to voters there who are increasingly expressing their malcontent and voting for the far right by refusing to recognise that disenfranchisement and effectively replicating our own situation by refusing to either change their own policies or work with the Far Right in coalition. It should really come as no surprise that all that does is to exacerbate the situation even further.

PR, like communism Brexit works better in theory than in practice because neither factors in human nature.

It does work, honest, but it's just never been done properly. Now if my communistsmy Brexiteers were in charge.....

Works also for Brexit, another faith based political fantasy.

Opinion not fact, obviously.

Well it's a fact that many Leave voters now claim that, despite it's manifest failure, they'd still vote the same way again, reasoning that's it just been the implementation which has been poor. There's an example of this in the relevant Brexit thread by the poster "bad company". I suspect people like this think that St Nigel of Farage would do it right, and this colours their intent to vote for his party now.

Anyway.

[EmBe]

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

EmBe said:

Kermit power said:

I say "properly working PR" because I don't see that in much of Europe at the moment. Their mainstream parties have taken an arrogant, paternalistic approach to voters there who are increasingly expressing their malcontent and voting for the far right by refusing to recognise that disenfranchisement and effectively replicating our own situation by refusing to either change their own policies or work with the Far Right in coalition. It should really come as no surprise that all that does is to exacerbate the situation even further.

PR, like communism Brexit works better in theory than in practice because neither factors in human nature.

It does work, honest, but it's just never been done properly. Now if my communistsmy Brexiteers were in charge.....

Works also for Brexit, another faith based political fantasy.

Opinion Obsession not fact, obviously.

Would be my interpretation. Why bring up Brexit otherwise?

[turbobloke]

EmBe said:

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

EmBe said:

Kermit power said:

I say "properly working PR" because I don't see that in much of Europe at the moment. Their mainstream parties have taken an arrogant, paternalistic approach to voters there who are increasingly expressing their malcontent and voting for the far right by refusing to recognise that disenfranchisement and effectively replicating our own situation by refusing to either change their own policies or work with the Far Right in coalition. It should really come as no surprise that all that does is to exacerbate the situation even further.

PR, like communism Brexit works better in theory than in practice because neither factors in human nature.

It does work, honest, but it's just never been done properly. Now if my communistsmy Brexiteers were in charge.....

Works also for Brexit, another faith based political fantasy.

Opinion Obsession not fact, obviously.

Would be my interpretation. Why bring up Brexit otherwise?

At 8 years and counting as well, good point.

[CivicDuties]

turbobloke said:

EmBe said:

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

EmBe said:

Kermit power said:

I say "properly working PR" because I don't see that in much of Europe at the moment. Their mainstream parties have taken an arrogant, paternalistic approach to voters there who are increasingly expressing their malcontent and voting for the far right by refusing to recognise that disenfranchisement and effectively replicating our own situation by refusing to either change their own policies or work with the Far Right in coalition. It should really come as no surprise that all that does is to exacerbate the situation even further.

PR, like communism Brexit works better in theory than in practice because neither factors in human nature.

It does work, honest, but it's just never been done properly. Now if my communistsmy Brexiteers were in charge.....

Works also for Brexit, another faith based political fantasy.

Opinion Obsession not fact, obviously.

Would be my interpretation. Why bring up Brexit otherwise?

At 8 years and counting as well, good point.

It's been even longer since Communism was a thing in Europe. Why bring that up?

Brexit, on the contrary, is highly relevant to this topic as it's the biggest drag on the British economy currently, and I'd like to hear more from the main parties about how they're going to change things. Their silence is deafening, however. LibDems propose joining SM/CU, so they got my vote.

Edited by CivicDuties on Monday 24th June 12:01

[swisstoni]

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

[CivicDuties]

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

[swisstoni]

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

We’ve already done that. Do you remember?

[swisstoni]

swisstoni said:

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

We’ve already done that. Do you remember?

Have to hurry you ….

[CivicDuties]

swisstoni said:

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

We’ve already done that. Do you remember?

No, I don't. Because you're making it up. We went to the EU for our post-membership trade deal with Theresa May's "Red Lines", which meant out of SM and CU. Now we're in a completely different world. We should open negotiations and see where it takes us.

[swisstoni]

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

We’ve already done that. Do you remember?

No, I don't. Because you're making it up. We went to the EU for our post-membership trade deal with Theresa May's "Red Lines", which meant out of SM and CU. Now we're in a completely different world. We should open negotiations and see where it takes us.

Well I’ll tell you where it takes us, as you’re mind has gone blank, is signing up to Freedom Of Movement (and anything else they want to chuck in).

[Jockman]

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

[CivicDuties]

swisstoni said:

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

CivicDuties said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask them.

We’ve already done that. Do you remember?

No, I don't. Because you're making it up. We went to the EU for our post-membership trade deal with Theresa May's "Red Lines", which meant out of SM and CU. Now we're in a completely different world. We should open negotiations and see where it takes us.

Well I’ll tell you where it takes us, as you’re mind has gone blank, is signing up to Freedom Of Movement (and anything else they want to chuck in).

Sounds like a win for a start.

We may not be that fortunate, but it's worth asking.

Neither you nor I know at this stage. I'm certain that joining the SM/CU would be good for the British economy, and that would have to be weighed against any conditions our partners might wish for.

I don't think it's my mind suffering blankness here.

[CivicDuties]

Jockman said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

And the downsides would be?

[turbobloke]

CivicDuties said:

Jockman said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

And the downsides would be?

Très drôle.

If only a future gov't could tax remainer dreams, deficit sorted

[PositronicRay]

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

Jockman said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

And the downsides would be?

Très drôle.

If only a future gov't could tax remainer dreams, deficit sorted

You post in jest, but I'd stump up a bit more to see freedom of movement reinstated.

[turbobloke]

PositronicRay said:

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

Jockman said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

And the downsides would be?

Très drôle.

If only a future gov't could tax remainer dreams, deficit sorted

You post in jest, but I'd stump up a bit more to see freedom of movement reinstated.

Fair enough,

I wouldn't, seriously. No party promise I've read is offering to go for it.

[CivicDuties]

turbobloke said:

PositronicRay said:

turbobloke said:

CivicDuties said:

Jockman said:

swisstoni said:

What conditions do you suppose the EU would require for the UK to return to the CM?

FMOL.

Greater EU Court involvement.

Net Contributions.

And the downsides would be?

Très drôle.

If only a future gov't could tax remainer dreams, deficit sorted

You post in jest, but I'd stump up a bit more to see freedom of movement reinstated.

Fair enough,

I wouldn't, seriously. No party promise I've read is offering to go for it.

You haven't seen the LibDem's manifesto then?

https://news.sky.com/story/lib-dems-pledge-to-rejo...

[bad company]

Does Jezza have a point? I reckon he does.

[hidetheelephants]

Is that a campaigning point for the deranged right wing loony party? It's not true and if it ever was hasn't been for 30+ years.