Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter
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Talksteer said:
On Twitter Musk also has plenty of followers, 185 million to be precise. A 1% conversion rate of followers to Tesla buyers would eat nearly all Tesla production, ergo he doesn't need to be universally popular to sell a lot of cars. Bill Gates wasn't popular when he was the worlds richest CEO but we all bought windows anyway.
First bit is true - Tesla will sell cars no matter what Musk does.Second bit is a false equivalence. We didn't buy windows in spite of Gates' unpopularity, we had no realistic alternative, so we bought the only thing that was available. This does not apply to Tesla.
Talksteer said:
Frankly how much people like Elon Musk is highly correlated by how techie they are so the venn diagram of people who dislike his antics and people would would/could buy a Tesla may not overlap that much.
I'm not convinced that correlation is as strong as you think. Certainly in years gone by Tesla's primary demographic was "white guys in their forties living in California and earning six-figures" and that included rather a lot of "engineers" and "software engineers", a significant proportion had graduate level degrees (Masters, PhD etc). Politically speaking, more educated folks (and by extension "techies") are more likely to skew liberal/leftist, which would suggest that they aren't likely to be on-board with Elon's "antics" as you put it. Is that enough that they wouldn't buy a Tesla out of principle? Tough call, speaking as someone who has been "techie" his entire life, is in his forties, white, has a graduate degree in a "techie" subject, has done "techie" professionally for more than two decades, and earns enough that I could have a Tesla if I wanted (the only thing I'm missing for the full bingo card is I don't live in California) I think it would be enough to put me off, although that's largely a moot point since I don't want one in the first place. Nothing they make appeals to me in the slightest and that was before Elon went deep into that k-hole and kept on digging.dobbo_ said:
This guy. Absolute state of him, just a full on, no filter, racist POS.
But rockets, I guess.
There's almost no control of hate posts now.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-mus...
You should see the stuff about some praising the Greek coastguards for drowning immigrants
What looks to be a Russian bot (with the essential blue ticket) ran out of Chat GPT credits with some amusing responses
https://x.com/KarinaVinnikova/status/1802980985056...
This follow up is good
https://x.com/KarinaVinnikova/status/1802980985056...
This follow up is good
Harpoon said:
What looks to be a Russian bot (with the essential blue ticket) ran out of Chat GPT credits with some amusing responses
https://x.com/KarinaVinnikova/status/1802980985056...
This follow up is good
Lol as if that's real. Its not valid Json and "ERR ChatGPT 4-o Credits Expired" isn't a ChaptGPT response. It's just someone trolling.https://x.com/KarinaVinnikova/status/1802980985056...
This follow up is good
Byker28i said:
mko9 said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting claim
[Img]https://i.imgur.com/lbyAYkm.jpeg[/thumb]
That dude is a moron. Do the sums on the 2nd and 3rd columns. Tesla sells more EVs than the rest of the market combined. So if their number go down, then pretty much the market goes down. They are cratering so hard they barely sell more than everyone else combined![Img]https://i.imgur.com/lbyAYkm.jpeg[/thumb]
But hey you call him a moron because you think he's blaspheming
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 18th June 08:19
“blaspheming”, you are such a clown.
dobbo_ said:
This guy. Absolute state of him, just a full on, no filter, racist POS.
But rockets, I guess.
Musk is the absolute cliche textbook example of ‘absolute power corrupts’
He had so much potential to just keep his head down and absolutely disrupt multiple big industries and push things forwards.
He’s still done it, but he’s also come out as a complete liability and prick and is now someone to absolutely not admire or trust.
He had so much potential to just keep his head down and absolutely disrupt multiple big industries and push things forwards.
He’s still done it, but he’s also come out as a complete liability and prick and is now someone to absolutely not admire or trust.
Ian974 said:
I think until around 5 or so years or so ago, rightly or wrongly, what he was planning for his companies seemed believable, if a bit ambitious on the timelines.
Struggle to believe a word he says these days
Yup, a list of failed promises and a few fulfilled ones.Struggle to believe a word he says these days
Latest one? Optimus bloody robot.... its going to make Tesla a $25tn (thats TRILLION) company. Yeah, maybe in 3154 or something after inflation has had its turn. Christ he just makes s
t up. Did you know that the worldwide economy was $105tn in 2023? That would make Tesla just under 25% of the worlds economy! Really? Is that number pre or post inflation effects? Ah, but when the economy grows, so will Tesla. Yeah, but by 2029 its only forecast to be $130tn by then anyway, and that is assuming that everything goes swimmingly and we dont have a major financial crash, pandemic or world war! The US economy is predicted to be around $34tn by 2029 by the way. That would result in nearly $3 out of $4 in the US economy would be with Tesla by 2029......But hey, lets believe that one, why not!
And what about the delivery of Optimus? Announced in August 2021, Musk said that they were 'prioritizing it over cars' in 2022 with deliveries at the end of that year. Yet in the latest quarterly results, he is now saying its going into production next year. Ok, right.... 3 years late on that one then. Stack that one up with the Roadster 2.0 (which can fly according to Musk) and a bunch of other stuff.
But its all real right? Nope, even resorted to faking videos of the damn thing too:
https://gizmodo.com/robot-legit-elon-musk-fake-opt...
So yeah, you cannot trust a damn thing that comes out of his mouth. Its one thing to be an optimist, its another to be as inaccurate as Musk.
off_again said:
Yup, a list of failed promises and a few fulfilled ones.
Latest one? Optimus bloody robot.... its going to make Tesla a $25tn (thats TRILLION) company. Yeah, maybe in 3154 or something after inflation has had its turn. Christ he just makes st up. Did you know that the worldwide economy was $105tn in 2023? That would make Tesla just under 25% of the worlds economy! Really? Is that number pre or post inflation effects?
Ah, but when the economy grows, so will Tesla. Yeah, but by 2029 its only forecast to be $130tn by then anyway, and that is assuming that everything goes swimmingly and we dont have a major financial crash, pandemic or world war! The US economy is predicted to be around $34tn by 2029 by the way. That would result in nearly $3 out of $4 in the US economy would be with Tesla by 2029......But hey, lets believe that one, why not!
And what about the delivery of Optimus? Announced in August 2021, Musk said that they were 'prioritizing it over cars' in 2022 with deliveries at the end of that year. Yet in the latest quarterly results, he is now saying its going into production next year. Ok, right.... 3 years late on that one then. Stack that one up with the Roadster 2.0 (which can fly according to Musk) and a bunch of other stuff.
But its all real right? Nope, even resorted to faking videos of the damn thing too:
https://gizmodo.com/robot-legit-elon-musk-fake-opt...
So yeah, you cannot trust a damn thing that comes out of his mouth. Its one thing to be an optimist, its another to be as inaccurate as Musk.
You are exaggerating/misrepresenting some of your claims, rather like Musk, in this post.Latest one? Optimus bloody robot.... its going to make Tesla a $25tn (thats TRILLION) company. Yeah, maybe in 3154 or something after inflation has had its turn. Christ he just makes s
t up. Did you know that the worldwide economy was $105tn in 2023? That would make Tesla just under 25% of the worlds economy! Really? Is that number pre or post inflation effects? Ah, but when the economy grows, so will Tesla. Yeah, but by 2029 its only forecast to be $130tn by then anyway, and that is assuming that everything goes swimmingly and we dont have a major financial crash, pandemic or world war! The US economy is predicted to be around $34tn by 2029 by the way. That would result in nearly $3 out of $4 in the US economy would be with Tesla by 2029......But hey, lets believe that one, why not!
And what about the delivery of Optimus? Announced in August 2021, Musk said that they were 'prioritizing it over cars' in 2022 with deliveries at the end of that year. Yet in the latest quarterly results, he is now saying its going into production next year. Ok, right.... 3 years late on that one then. Stack that one up with the Roadster 2.0 (which can fly according to Musk) and a bunch of other stuff.
But its all real right? Nope, even resorted to faking videos of the damn thing too:
https://gizmodo.com/robot-legit-elon-musk-fake-opt...
So yeah, you cannot trust a damn thing that comes out of his mouth. Its one thing to be an optimist, its another to be as inaccurate as Musk.
The "Optimus" video wasn't faked. When Musk published the video he stated clearly the bot couldn't fold the shirt autonomously.
He didn't say they were prioritising Optimus over cars in 2022; he said they were prioritising its product development over cars. If you look at the investment into FSD and Optimus since that date, and you compare that to product development into their range of cars, I think that is probably true. Whether that is the right prioritisation is a different question.
He also didn't say there would be deliveries in Optimus in 2022. I think you meant 2023. But that wasn't deliveries to the public. They have delivered them to the Tesla factory, where it is being tested on very limited functions.
He is also didn't say would be a $25tn company. He said it *could* be a $25tn company.
We know Musk is "optimistic", and he exaggerates and he misrepresents things, but no need for you to do it as well
In terms of Optimus development, the issue isn't so much designing a physical bot, as Boston Dynamics have shown that has been possible for several years. The issue is about the viability of the autonomous control systems, using video, AI and neural nets.
So that means imo we get back to the first big milestone being whether they solve FSD in the next couple of years using vision only cameras. If they can do that, and they start carrying real members of the public in Tesla cars without a driver, then Optimus, which at the moment is nothing more than a moon-shot, is going to attract a lot more attention. At that point Tesla would be able to divert a big proportion of their huge video training computing resource into 'training' the neural net used by Optimus.
Boston’s robots look nothing (ok vaguely perhaps) like the ‘human’ style that Musk thinks is possible. If it were possible, Boston would have done it. Their robots are far more advanced at this stage. But Musk is all about the show so he had to make it look how we imagine sci-fi robots to look, even if it’s a piece of crap that won’t ever come to anything.
p1stonhead said:
Boston’s robots look nothing (ok vaguely perhaps) like the ‘human’ style that Musk thinks is possible. If it were possible, Boston would have done it. Their robots are far more advanced at this stage. But Musk is all about the show so he had to make it look how we imagine sci-fi robots to look, even if it’s a piece of crap that won’t ever come to anything.
Looks fairly similar to me in terms of humanoid form....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M
EddieSteadyGo said:
p1stonhead said:
Boston’s robots look nothing (ok vaguely perhaps) like the ‘human’ style that Musk thinks is possible. If it were possible, Boston would have done it. Their robots are far more advanced at this stage. But Musk is all about the show so he had to make it look how we imagine sci-fi robots to look, even if it’s a piece of crap that won’t ever come to anything.
Looks fairly similar to me in terms of humanoid form....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M
mko9 said:
Byker28i said:
mko9 said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting claim
[Img]https://i.imgur.com/lbyAYkm.jpeg[/thumb]
That dude is a moron. Do the sums on the 2nd and 3rd columns. Tesla sells more EVs than the rest of the market combined. So if their number go down, then pretty much the market goes down. They are cratering so hard they barely sell more than everyone else combined![Img]https://i.imgur.com/lbyAYkm.jpeg[/thumb]
But hey you call him a moron because you think he's blaspheming
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 18th June 08:19
“blaspheming”, you are such a clown.
Kodak, IBM, Nokia, Blackberry, Microsoft...
They all held dominant positions in the market, took their eyes off the ball and got overtaken. I personally think that Tesla is on the same trajectory.
p1stonhead said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
p1stonhead said:
Boston’s robots look nothing (ok vaguely perhaps) like the ‘human’ style that Musk thinks is possible. If it were possible, Boston would have done it. Their robots are far more advanced at this stage. But Musk is all about the show so he had to make it look how we imagine sci-fi robots to look, even if it’s a piece of crap that won’t ever come to anything.
Looks fairly similar to me in terms of humanoid form....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M
You seemed to be saying human style robots were impossible, which is a odd thing to say. BD developed Petman a decade ago.
https://youtu.be/tFrjrgBV8K0?si=lOyLv9oLS9zW2ca2
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