Now Gordon wants your organs
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I have a kidney disease which means at some point in my life, i will probably require a kidney transplant.
Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish b
ds never need an organ transplant themselves.
Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish b
ds never need an organ transplant themselves.Why don't we forget self interest for a moment, and mull the concept of "presumed consent" in other contexts...
Say, burglary, mugging, rape? Or, more pertinently, necrophilia - she's dead; she has no more use for those 'bits'; why shouldn't someone else make use of them?
How do you feel about it in those cases?
Say, burglary, mugging, rape? Or, more pertinently, necrophilia - she's dead; she has no more use for those 'bits'; why shouldn't someone else make use of them?
How do you feel about it in those cases?
grumbledoak said:
Why don't we forget self interest for a moment, and mull the concept of "presumed consent" in other contexts...
Say, burglary, mugging, rape? Or, more pertinently, necrophilia - she's dead; she has no more use for those 'bits'; why shouldn't someone else make use of them?
How do you feel about it in those cases?
Like you've made a somewhat facile comparison, which is beneath you.Say, burglary, mugging, rape? Or, more pertinently, necrophilia - she's dead; she has no more use for those 'bits'; why shouldn't someone else make use of them?
How do you feel about it in those cases?
Blukoo said:
I have a kidney disease which means at some point in my life, i will probably require a kidney transplant.
Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish bds never need an organ transplant themselves.
Experience suggests that you'd be less likely to get a new one, not more so.Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish b
ds never need an organ transplant themselves.Blukoo said:
I have a kidney disease which means at some point in my life, i will probably require a kidney transplant.
Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish bds never need an organ transplant themselves.
+1Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish b
ds never need an organ transplant themselves.Although I've got a card anyway.
G'kar said:
Like you've made a somewhat facile comparison, which is beneath you.
Not sure 'facile' is the right word? 'Unpleasant' may well be. But, to ask it more positively, in what other areas of our lives would we consider "presumed consent" to be acceptable? I would argue (and have argued on this thread): 'none', as the nature of consent is to be given."Presumed consent" is a nice sounding phrase for a really horrid concept.
Edited by grumbledoak on Monday 17th November 22:41
Blukoo said:
I have a kidney disease which means at some point in my life, i will probably require a kidney transplant.
Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish bds never need an organ transplant themselves.
I carry a donor card, and I'm registered on some donors web site, forget which, but I don't know if my name is in some system somewhere ready to pop up if my death were entered somewhere. Is there such a system in place? Maybe there should be?Its nice to know i might be more likely to recieve one if this "presumed consent" idea is passed.
If anyone cares enough to keep their organs as worm food, then they can take 5 mins out of one day in their life to opt out. I just hope the selfish b
ds never need an organ transplant themselves.You can register on the donor database via your driving licence. If you have code 115 on your licence you have agreed to be a donor.
I've been a registered donor for all my adult life but think changing the system to an opt out system will be a mistake, what we need to do is get the subject out in the open and discussed more, so people have the opportunity to consider the options before they get to the situation where emotions are running high and they arnt sure what to do.
Hopefully when i pop my clogs someone gets some use out of my leftover and not completely knackered bits, but to try and impose a system some will find offensive at a time of great sorrow is a step too far, it's unnecessary if we educate people and set the systems up properly.
I've been a registered donor for all my adult life but think changing the system to an opt out system will be a mistake, what we need to do is get the subject out in the open and discussed more, so people have the opportunity to consider the options before they get to the situation where emotions are running high and they arnt sure what to do.
Hopefully when i pop my clogs someone gets some use out of my leftover and not completely knackered bits, but to try and impose a system some will find offensive at a time of great sorrow is a step too far, it's unnecessary if we educate people and set the systems up properly.
Why not introduce a fee for organ harvesting? Say $10,000 for a heart/lung combo, $2,000 for a cornea, $6,000 for a kidney, etc. This would be some incentive for relatives to consent. After all, everyone involved in the harvesting business is being paid handsomely for taking part, why should the organs be provided for free?
Airbag said:
Some people will take any opportunity to bash the government, but this is just ridiculous. How anyone could find this to be objectionable is beyond me. This is progress, pure and simple, and it will save lives.
Oh, and 0.5/10
Around here no matter what labour announce is bad and if the torys said that they were going to pop round to the local primary school with a chainsaw to harvest some organs then that would be viewed as a wonderful idea.Oh, and 0.5/10
This won't change until about 4 months after the torys win an election
turbobloke said:
Gordon wants organs? My ar5e.
Not even gordon would want that bitThere is also the issue of what the organs will be used for.
We are all assuming presumed consent will mean saving someones life.
However we are talking of a shortfall of around 2000 organs a year at present or do Labour know some future epidemic looming thanks to 24hr licensing.
Presumed consent will mean the government will have access to millions of organs that didn't neccessarily have to be removed.
Is there a worldwide market for selling organs . . Is Gordon really after making some money out of you after you die?
We are all assuming presumed consent will mean saving someones life.
However we are talking of a shortfall of around 2000 organs a year at present or do Labour know some future epidemic looming thanks to 24hr licensing.
Presumed consent will mean the government will have access to millions of organs that didn't neccessarily have to be removed.
Is there a worldwide market for selling organs . . Is Gordon really after making some money out of you after you die?
swerni said:
I think it's a great idea.
I am also a card carrier. I think reason many people aren't however is apathy.
Of the people here who have no objection to their organs being taken, how many carry cards or are registered now?
I carry a card, people know I do, you make that decision before you die away from your loved ones.I am also a card carrier. I think reason many people aren't however is apathy.
Of the people here who have no objection to their organs being taken, how many carry cards or are registered now?
You make a will, why not make that choice too.
swerni said:
I think it's a great idea.
I am also a card carrier. I think reason many people aren't however is apathy.
Of the people here who have no objection to their organs being taken, how many carry cards or are registered now?
A pub I used to frequent in the 80's had a tyrannical landlady, who would force you to rip up your donor card if she knew you carried one, or ban you if you wouldn't. That sort of mental state is beyond description. I am also a card carrier. I think reason many people aren't however is apathy.
Of the people here who have no objection to their organs being taken, how many carry cards or are registered now?
Her daughter, mid 30's, died of some sort of brain aneurysm if I remember correctly, but that was several years after my last ban. You can guess where her organs probably went: into the ground.
elster said:
BTW your donor card is worthless if your family don't want it, or next of kin. Or pretty much every Tom, Dick and Harry.
http://www.hta.gov.uk/_db/_documents/2006-07-04_Ap...See Page 11 & 12, point 47 specifically on page 12.
If when living you've given consent, i.e. signed the donor form, legally thats good enough regardless of what your family think. Its only down to staff not wanting to argue with relatives of the deceased that donation doesn't go ahead if the family doesn't want it to. Legally if you signed up saying you want to donate your organs and then died, your wife said NO she doesn't want it happening she could be told "bad luck, he said YES". I'm not aware of any other law that over rules this law. Human Tissue Act of 2004 is the important one as far as i'm aware.
Edited by Herman Toothrot on Tuesday 18th November 08:28
I get the feeling that a lot of the anti is coming from the fact that Gordon has backed this. I think you will find this was recomended by the BMA and Gordon hapened to agree. This is not a labour plot it is a suggestion by some of the medical profession to solve a problem. It works well in Spain but less well in scandanavia.
As for the labour government wanting to sell organs on the internatioanl market, FFS get over your selves. If you want to opt in, opt in if not fine but why does it have to be a labour plot?
I support the idea but I'm biased. I supported the idea before I needed an organ but as a young biker I realised that there was a high probability of becomeing a donor so got a card and still carry it now just with kidneys crossed out.
As for not knowing who your organs go to. They go to some poor bd who is going to die if they don't get a transplant.
As for the labour government wanting to sell organs on the internatioanl market, FFS get over your selves. If you want to opt in, opt in if not fine but why does it have to be a labour plot?
I support the idea but I'm biased. I supported the idea before I needed an organ but as a young biker I realised that there was a high probability of becomeing a donor so got a card and still carry it now just with kidneys crossed out.
As for not knowing who your organs go to. They go to some poor b
d who is going to die if they don't get a transplant.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff