Macron calls a national election
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soupdragon1 said:
Copy and paste from Twitter? Needs fact checked to be honest, plus proper context. I've literally just posted about the Anti immigration candidates in Ireland. Unless of course you mean council elections, where they now have autonomy to push for weekly bin collections instead of fortnightly?
Went to the EU elections on a 'IrelandIsFull' mandate - ended up with a mandate for 'IrelandsBinsAreFull'
Yes, copied from a twitter feed that exclusively posts about various conspiracies Went to the EU elections on a 'IrelandIsFull' mandate - ended up with a mandate for 'IrelandsBinsAreFull'
hidetheelephants said:
Poland's swung back the other way; from having the right-wing Law&Justice party in power to Donald Tusk and Civic Platform in a coalition.
And we're almost certain to kick out the party of Braverman for the more sane Meh of Starmer.I'm not one for conspiracy usually, but I do wonder at the correslation between the explosion of social media and the explosion of totally s
t political decisions.Cameron got power by painting himself as more sensible, pragmatic and effective than Brown. Since then it seems it's been increasingly about who can drum up the most outrage.
The line between left and right has been moved over in recent years and what i think of as left and right is different now to 20 or even 30 years ago.
This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Monday 10th June 19:15
Getragdogleg said:
The line between left and right has been moved over in recent years and what i think of as left and right is different now to 20 or even 30 years ago.
Sky did quite a good analysis of Le Pen in 2022 illustrating that it isn't as simple as right vs left.https://news.sky.com/story/french-presidential-ele...
Far left protests in France over Marine La Pen victory
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 11th June 02:12
Oliver Hardy said:
Far left protests in France over Marine La Pen victory
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Its always looting isn't it ? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 11th June 02:12
It hoodies, skinny jeans/trackies and a certain type of male doing it. Its theft with politics as an excuse.
Oliver Hardy said:
Far left protests in France over Marine La Pen victory
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
How does that article relate to what you've typed?https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 11th June 02:12
Bill said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Far left protests in France over Marine La Pen victory
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
How does that article relate to what you've typed?https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 11th June 02:12
vaud said:
Sky did quite a good analysis of Le Pen in 2022 illustrating that it isn't as simple as right vs left.
https://news.sky.com/story/french-presidential-ele...
https://news.sky.com/story/french-presidential-ele...
From the Sky analysis, it's not as simple as right vs left
Bill said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Far left protests in France over Marine La Pen victory
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
How does that article relate to what you've typed?https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1787198/ma...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 11th June 02:12
Take 2!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZwmmIBBojA&ab...
Oliver Hardy said:
It doesn't I am an idiot, linked the wrong video.
Take 2!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZwmmIBBojA&ab...
To be honest, if it comes down to comparing a video without commentary from the Express Tribune in Pakistan with the complete lack of any reporting of riots on the websites of either Le Monde or Le Figaro, I'd have to say I'm not 100% certain that this happened! Take 2!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZwmmIBBojA&ab...
Getragdogleg said:
The line between left and right has been moved over in recent years and what i think of as left and right is different now to 20 or even 30 years ago.
This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
People don't get labelled far right for talking about immigration and benefits. They get called far right by demonising immigrants/benefit recipients, using them as scapegoats and 'othering' them.This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Monday 10th June 19:15
BREXIT wasn't a left vs right issue, there was broad support across both left and right, leading to the infamous Red Wall voting for the Tories to implement it.
tangerine_sedge said:
People don't get labelled far right for talking about immigration and benefits. They get called far right by demonising immigrants/benefit recipients, using them as scapegoats and 'othering' them.
Who talks about a reduction in immigration that hasn't been labelled as far right?It's always interesting when people raise the issue of Brexit over and over again.
For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
tangerine_sedge said:
Getragdogleg said:
The line between left and right has been moved over in recent years and what i think of as left and right is different now to 20 or even 30 years ago.
This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
People don't get labelled far right for talking about immigration and benefits. This is a push back against this, getting called "far Right" for holding the belief that immigration should not be a free for all and the benefits system should be a safety net not a hammock for lazy folk is not helpful and is part of the resentment that's built up.
The Brexit result should have been a wake up call to "the left" and the globalists that they were pushing people too far.
I'm ready to be called racist and xenophobic by people who haven't read what I'm saying properly, this is PH after all but real people will only take so much derision and name calling before they get to the point that we are at now. Calling folk names and saying they are thick wont change minds, just makes them hate the other side more.
We have had 78 years or so of European peace, its not going to last forever and another big skirmish is coming, we are in the midst of the side taking and unfortunately many cant or wont see it. The appeasement of the growing band of belligerents with trade and the threat of sanctions may not hold out, especially when those countries view us as weak and unlikely to put up a fight. Better hope none of them tries out a nuke or our plans will all change quite rapidly, just watch how fast we become very right wing and anti globalist then.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Monday 10th June 19:15
Vasco said:
It's always interesting when people raise the issue of Brexit over and over again.
For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
How often do you actually talk politics with "the ordinary guy in the street" though? For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
Kermit power said:
Vasco said:
It's always interesting when people raise the issue of Brexit over and over again.
For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
How often do you actually talk politics with "the ordinary guy in the street" though? For the ordinary guy in the street I never hear any regret about the decision that was made. In many parts of the UK it was a foregone conclusion that European laws weren't going to work here. For some businesses it was a nightmare but, even so, I also don't recall anybody suggesting that the vote was blatantly left or right.
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